[WIP] Turm Flags for OM

etheberge · 03-16-11, 02:22 AM

Turm Flags for OM

Estimated Date of Release: When it's done.

Done so far: Type IX, IXB, IXC, IXC/40, IXD2.
Edited 03/19/11: Type IIB, IIC and IID done.
Edited 03/21/11: Type VIIB done.
Edited 04/04/11: Type VIIC, VIIC41, VIID done.

Two versions will be available: 1 Flag on Turm only or 1 pennant on Turm + 1 flag at stern.

Includes flagstaff and ropes. Flag and ropes are not visible when submerged. Model provided by Privateer.

Will include a selection of flags. Pennants will be sporting flotilla emblems.

Open to suggestion regarding the flag/pennant selection but keep in mind one side of the flag will always be mirrored so any writing like tonnage, etc, is not really practical.

03-17-11, 05:53 AM

Hey since your working on flags I was wondering if you were also planning on moving the flags on ships.

What I mean is that 90% if the ships I have encountered in OM have the flag on the stern of the ship.

Nothing is more frustrating than to spend hours hunting down a ship, maneuvering into a final solution position and even have torpedo tubes open to finally see the flag and its Panama (The last one I saw) or some damn place like that

.

Is this something you had in mind, or just strictly for subs? Either way it looks cool. BTW are those flags historical correct or in lines with Germany's law of forgetting WW2 ever happened?

EDIT: Never mind I guess I didn't see the Swastika first time around.

03-17-11, 07:36 PM

Nice work Mate!

Did you edit the dds for the triangular Flag?
I could do a new Animation if needed.

ReallyDedPoet · 03-17-11, 07:40 PM

Nice

etheberge · 03-19-11, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slyguy3129

Hey since your working on flags I was wondering if you were also planning on moving the flags on ships.

What I mean is that 90% if the ships I have encountered in OM have the flag on the stern of the ship.

Nothing is more frustrating than to spend hours hunting down a ship, maneuvering into a final solution position and even have torpedo tubes open to finally see the flag and its Panama (The last one I saw) or some damn place like that

.

Is this something you had in mind, or just strictly for subs?

Just for U-boats. I'd like to move the flags on all those ships too but from what I'm seeing working on this mod it would be a royal pain in the ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Nice work Mate!

Did you edit the dds for the triangular Flag?
I could do a new Animation if needed.

Thanks. Yeah all I did was duplicate the model and edit the alpha channel of the second DDS. The triangular flag animation looks fine at first glance but I haven't paid close attention to it. Still just placing the two models on all the U-boats and turms...sigh...

etheberge · 03-19-11, 05:02 PM

I'm having a little issue. It's not a big problem but it's bothersome. When the boat is submerged and the camera is slightly above the surface looking down, you can still see a white outline of the flag through the water at certain angles. But if you move the camera under the surface that white outline is gone and things look as expected. I'm wondering if I might not have screwed something up. Does anyone know what can cause this?

03-20-11, 05:36 PM

Can you send me a link to your Flag dat?
I deleted the original I had.
(I never keep anything around long)

Also, when a Ship sinks, do you see the same effect of the flag?
It is after all just a shrunken version of the Ships flags.

Ducimus · 03-20-11, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etheberge

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pict...pictureid=3782

I noticed that too. I blew it off, although i sat there wondering how many people would notice.

Maybe its a texture resource issue. Have to set the proper settings perhaps? id compare it to the flags used by ships, and see what differences there are if any.

etheberge · 03-21-11, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Can you send me a link to your Flag dat?
I deleted the original I had.
(I never keep anything around long)

Here you go: http://www.box.net/shared/65iceriiqz

It's not your original though, it's a tweaked version with different IDs and stuff. Feel free to let me know if I messed something up. I don't have the original anymore either :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Also, when a Ship sinks, do you see the same effect of the flag?
It is after all just a shrunken version of the Ships flags.

Never noticed but I'll check.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I noticed that too. I blew it off, although i sat there wondering how many people would notice.

Maybe its a texture resource issue. Have to set the proper settings perhaps? id compare it to the flags used by ships, and see what differences there are if any.

Thanks for the tip Ducimus and Privateer.
It's not a show-stopper but after you notice it once it does get annoying.

Also you were quite right in the other thread, placing those objects is pretty painful.

Sailor Steve · 03-21-11, 07:31 PM

Is anyone planning to duplicate Anvart's work for SH3? Flags and antennae going up and down on command?

etheberge · 03-21-11, 08:19 PM

Well the solution for the white flag outline is to remove the checkmark from "Disable z-buffer write+enable alpha blend" for the material chunk of the texture.

HOWEVER, when you do that the flag is still visible when looking at the submerged sub with the external cam above the water. When the cam is below the surface, the flag is gone.

It looks like the solution for that is to somehow replace the "VisibleUnderWater" controller with the "WaterInteraction" controller as discussed in these two threads --> http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ibleunderwater and http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ibleunderwater

Unfortunately my S3D skills are too lame to figure out where to place that controller and how to implement it to have the flag object disappear and reappear based on the sub's depth. Tried a few different ways but didn't get anywhere.

Will try again some other time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Is anyone planning to duplicate Anvart's work for SH3? Flags and antennae going up and down on command?

Maybe after a year of playing with S3D I could figure it out but for now I wouldn't hold my breath on that one Sailor Steve.

03-24-11, 04:38 PM

Anvart had a MotherBoard death about a month back.

But I'm sure he would grant permission to adapt it to SH4.
He'd probably do it himself if not for the MB problem.

Anvart · 03-28-11, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etheberge

Well the solution for the white flag outline is to remove the checkmark from "Disable z-buffer write+enable alpha blend" for the material chunk of the texture.

...

IIRC, in SH3, if you use alpha blending and water reflection for submerged flags... you will have artefacts...
try to disable water reflection for flag (with alpha blending)...
How in SH4 i don't remember already...
IIRC, in SH4, if you use VisibleUnderWater = false for some object and if you (camera) are not submerged (over water), you will see this object in any case (if water is transparented)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Anvart had a MotherBoard death about a month back.

... already two months...

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

But I'm sure he would grant permission to adapt it to SH4.
...

Of course.

Good luck,
Alexander.

Jan Kyster · 03-29-11, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvart

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Anvart had a MotherBoard death about a month back.

... already two months...

No need for crying!

What cpu do you use? I have a couple of motherboards doing nothing but waiting for some action...

Anvart · 03-29-11, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan Kyster

No need for crying!

What cpu do you use? I have a couple of motherboards doing nothing but waiting for some action...

Thanks, Jan Kyster.
I have had MoBo Asus P4P800 Deluxe with mPGA 478 socket and Pentium 4 Processor 2.8E GHz and hardware RAID 0 with two HDDs... but it's very old system (more then 7 years worked for me)...
Therefore, may be, more rationally to buy (and assemble) new machine...
may be... MoBo Asus P8P67 Pro - 1155 socket, P67 (B3) chipset... Processor i7 2600K and so on.
But in Russia to buy needed computer's set not easy task...

03-16-11, 02:22 AM	#1
etheberge Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 345 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 10	[WIP] Turm Flags for OM Turm Flags for OM Estimated Date of Release: When it's done. Done so far: Type IX, IXB, IXC, IXC/40, IXD2. Edited 03/19/11: Type IIB, IIC and IID done. Edited 03/21/11: Type VIIB done. Edited 04/04/11: Type VIIC, VIIC41, VIID done. Two versions will be available: 1 Flag on Turm only or 1 pennant on Turm + 1 flag at stern. Includes flagstaff and ropes. Flag and ropes are not visible when submerged. Model provided by Privateer. Will include a selection of flags. Pennants will be sporting flotilla emblems. Open to suggestion regarding the flag/pennant selection but keep in mind one side of the flag will always be mirrored so any writing like tonnage, etc, is not really practical. __________________ 11 War Patrols / 56 ships sunk or damaged for 212,022 tons Zero casualties throughout the war Scuttled on 8 May, 1945 in Sonderburg Bay, after German surrender Last edited by etheberge; 04-04-11 at 08:33 PM.

03-17-11, 07:40 PM	#4
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The one and only East Coast Posts: 10,775 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Nice __________________ Back in the Day

03-19-11, 05:02 PM	#6
etheberge Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 345 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 10	I'm having a little issue. It's not a big problem but it's bothersome. When the boat is submerged and the camera is slightly above the surface looking down, you can still see a white outline of the flag through the water at certain angles. But if you move the camera under the surface that white outline is gone and things look as expected. I'm wondering if I might not have screwed something up. Does anyone know what can cause this? __________________ 11 War Patrols / 56 ships sunk or damaged for 212,022 tons Zero casualties throughout the war Scuttled on 8 May, 1945 in Sonderburg Bay, after German surrender

03-21-11, 07:31 PM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Is anyone planning to duplicate Anvart's work for SH3? Flags and antennae going up and down on command? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-17-11, 05:53 AM	#2
Slyguy3129 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hey since your working on flags I was wondering if you were also planning on moving the flags on ships. What I mean is that 90% if the ships I have encountered in OM have the flag on the stern of the ship. Nothing is more frustrating than to spend hours hunting down a ship, maneuvering into a final solution position and even have torpedo tubes open to finally see the flag and its Panama (The last one I saw) or some damn place like that . Is this something you had in mind, or just strictly for subs? Either way it looks cool. BTW are those flags historical correct or in lines with Germany's law of forgetting WW2 ever happened? EDIT: Never mind I guess I didn't see the Swastika first time around.

03-17-11, 07:36 PM	#3
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Nice work Mate! Did you edit the dds for the triangular Flag? I could do a new Animation if needed.

03-20-11, 05:36 PM	#7
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Can you send me a link to your Flag dat? I deleted the original I had. (I never keep anything around long) Also, when a Ship sinks, do you see the same effect of the flag? It is after all just a shrunken version of the Ships flags.

03-24-11, 04:38 PM	#12
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Anvart had a MotherBoard death about a month back. But I'm sure he would grant permission to adapt it to SH4. He'd probably do it himself if not for the MB problem.