Russian Politics Thread - Page 17

Rockstar · 02-08-21, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

There is no doubt for mne that Russia makes abusive use of its lawcode to get hand on Nawalny and lock him away, out of sight and out if mind. Catfish is right when he ridicules the Russian authporities for Nawalny not reporting in prresenc ein Russia while he laid more dead than alive in a German hpsital after heavign been poisoned - and most likely by right those who hold court over him. Laws can be used in good faith, and for abuse, the latter is the case here. Many regimes of the oast and present did and do so, then claiming law and order for their own suppression of opposition and unwnated opinion, and trying to escape being accused for it. However, tis a knbown method in Western states as well. Assange being a prominent example. The crimes committed by the Stasi in the gDR, all were covered by the GDR'S laws, so where the crimes committed by the GeStapo.

States are the coldest of all monsters. ALL states.

You are absolutely correct every state will act, sometime harshly, to maintain uninterrupted continuity and stability. It could be said even in the freest of nations its a necessary evil if it wants to survive.

The more I read about this Navalny character he's just a ne'er-do-well, a 'zero' promoted to useful idiot. Western media is in high gear and working overtime turning him into a saint for revolution, freedom and democracy. Yet when Russia does like any other state would do. We cry foul?

Is it true Russian authorities suspended check-in and did Navalny not check-in as he was required too by law? If so, that would completely debunk the washington examiners article and this would be a case where media is attempting to shape public opinion. Which would lead to my next question, why?

“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”- Karl Rove

Catfish · 06-10-21, 04:42 PM

"Vladimir Putin formalises Russia's withdrawal from Open Skies Treaty citing 'lack of progress'"

https://www.firstpost.com/world/vlad...s-9695171.html

"Trump pulled out of the pact last year, arguing that Russian violations made it untenable for Washington to remain a party, and the United States completed its withdrawal in November."

"Biden initially signalled his administration could reverse his predecessor Donald Trump's move to quit the accord, but then confirmed late last month that Washington will not revisit the decision."

Not good.

mapuc · 06-10-21, 04:52 PM

^ I think something good will come out from this action taken by both countries.

In a few years from now-They will meat and make a deal both like.

Markus

August · 06-12-21, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

"Vladimir Putin formalises Russia's withdrawal from Open Skies Treaty citing 'lack of progress'"

https://www.firstpost.com/world/vlad...s-9695171.html

"Trump pulled out of the pact last year, arguing that Russian violations made it untenable for Washington to remain a party, and the United States completed its withdrawal in November."

"Biden initially signalled his administration could reverse his predecessor Donald Trump's move to quit the accord, but then confirmed late last month that Washington will not revisit the decision."

Not good.

You think so?

To me allowing surveillance overflights is meaningless in the age of high definition spy satellites, we can see just as much from orbit. Better to keep their aircraft and whatever they might be carrying out of our airspace I think.

Rockstar · 06-12-21, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by August

You think so?

To me allowing surveillance overflights is meaningless in the age of high definition spy satellites, we can see just as much from orbit. Better to keep their aircraft and whatever they might be carrying out of our airspace I think.

I was thinking the samething, technology has evolved beyond peoples wildest dreams when Open Skies was first suggested. Even the last ten years have seen methods and capabilities improve.

Arial photography is ancient tech. Good chance Russia or Ukraine would 'mistakenly' shoot them down like they do commercial airliners anyway, so why risk it?

Catfish · 06-12-21, 04:17 PM

You are all right technically, i just think of the general 'climate'.

Rockstar · 06-12-21, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

You are all right technically, i just think of the general 'climate'.

The climate around Russia is in my opinion already kind of hot. Im thinking Russia may not permit flights over certain areas now, not because we might see something. But because there may be a good chance of some trigger happy unkown who fires a rocket at our surveillence plane with the intention of kick starting a major international incident or war. Thats my guess.

Reece · 06-12-21, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

They will meat and make a deal.

Markus

What type Markus? I love lamb or beef!!

Jimbuna · 06-13-21, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

What type Markus? I love lamb or beef!!

Oh dear

mapuc · 06-13-21, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

What type Markus? I love lamb or beef!!

Once again I forgot to connect my brain before writing. The word I would have written was - meet

Markus

Jimbuna · 06-13-21, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Once again I forgot to connect my brain before writing. The word I would have written was - meet

Markus

Not at all Markus....tell the mongrel to start posting in Danish. That should bring about a few laughs

Catfish · 06-14-21, 05:09 AM

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What type Markus? I love lamb or beef!!

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Oh deer

Fixed.

Skybird · 06-14-21, 05:42 AM

Its a bit difficult to check in with Russian law enforcement when you are more dead than alive and fight for your life in a German hospital. To then insist on this being an issue of the patient breakign laws, is cynism of the kind you see a lot from the Chinese and Russian regime.

Not to mention that the whole case of insisting on law formalities while a regime abuses the law to supress unwanted thinking and opposition, is cynical.

It has become a Russian speciality to paint opposition activists as Nazis. I wonder whether Nawalny really is that - or if I fell for just another constructed fairy tale when some weeks ago I said I see him as right that. We have seen this tactic at work in belarus recently, haven'T we.

In the face of injustice and totalitarian power abuse like with the Russian regime, disobeying the law not only is ethically and morally allowed, even imperative - it may even be a thing of mere physical survival. One can even argue that disobedience towards laws defending dictatorship is a civil and civilized duty.

Jimbuna · 06-14-21, 01:44 PM

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Fixed.

Catfish · 02-22-22, 12:35 PM

06-10-21, 04:42 PM	#242
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Vladimir Putin formalises Russia's withdrawal from Open Skies Treaty citing 'lack of progress'" https://www.firstpost.com/world/vlad...s-9695171.html "Trump pulled out of the pact last year, arguing that Russian violations made it untenable for Washington to remain a party, and the United States completed its withdrawal in November." "Biden initially signalled his administration could reverse his predecessor Donald Trump's move to quit the accord, but then confirmed late last month that Washington will not revisit the decision." Not good. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,877 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ I think something good will come out from this action taken by both countries. In a few years from now-They will meat and make a deal both like. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	You are all right technically, i just think of the general 'climate'. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-14-21, 05:42 AM	#253
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Its a bit difficult to check in with Russian law enforcement when you are more dead than alive and fight for your life in a German hospital. To then insist on this being an issue of the patient breakign laws, is cynism of the kind you see a lot from the Chinese and Russian regime. Not to mention that the whole case of insisting on law formalities while a regime abuses the law to supress unwanted thinking and opposition, is cynical. It has become a Russian speciality to paint opposition activists as Nazis. I wonder whether Nawalny really is that - or if I fell for just another constructed fairy tale when some weeks ago I said I see him as right that. We have seen this tactic at work in belarus recently, haven'T we. In the face of injustice and totalitarian power abuse like with the Russian regime, disobeying the law not only is ethically and morally allowed, even imperative - it may even be a thing of mere physical survival. One can even argue that disobedience towards laws defending dictatorship is a civil and civilized duty. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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