US Politics Thread 2021-24

[August]

One would hardly expect our draft dodging president to know the difference.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

As I understand it, "Brown shoes" mostly referred to Army (USAAF) officers who converted to the Air Force in 1949. The USAF had a new dress/working uniform of a blue suit and white or light blue shirt and black shoes. If the officer started out in the USAAF, they were grandfathered and could either wear the new uniform or the older Army khakis and brown shoes.

By the 1960's, "brown shoes" were senior USAF officers who had been around long enough that they had earned their commission in the Army, during or just after WWII.

A 'brown shoe' refers to naval aviators because back in the day that's the color of the shoe only they wore because they're just so special.

In the fleet senior officers, bosun's, boatswain's mate, snipes and the lower forms of life like bubbleheads, cannon cockers, junior officers, cooks, and skivvy wavers etc, etc. were issued and wore black shoes. Its been a very long time since brown shoes were a seabag item. But most airdales still know what you're referring too if you call them a brown shoe.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

One would hardly expect our draft dodging president to know the difference.

He says, after years of supporting a draft dodging president.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by Dowly

He says, after years of supporting a draft dodging president.

[Jeff-Groves]

When did it become an issue when the rich dodged the Draft?
Substitution and commutation? Ever heard of it?

I doubt the poor could take advantage at that time.

[Sonicfire1981]

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Opinion journalism. Makes for ratings. Gives other opinion journalist like CNN a segment that hopefully generates ratings. It's a wonderful push me pull you story.

[Moonlight]

This is being taken out of context, he's most probably not against women serving in the military, what he's questioning is why the hell does a woman want to put a flight suit on and put her unborn babies life on the line while pulling a 4G or 6G turn.

Can you pull a 6G turn because I have no idea, perhaps the military could find a willing pregnant female pilot and put every ones mind at rest by doing some aerial stunts for a media PR blitz, will there be anyone thick enough to do it.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Looking forward to the maternity flight suits coming to the Air Force near you. Honestly Joe Biden, what the hell are you doing? Send pregnant women up in fighter aircraft to fight our wars? Trump might have been a dope but Biden is completely and utterly lost.

The plans for maternity flight suits came up in September of 2019. During Trump's presidency.

Pregnant pilots are also already free to continue flying, if they so choose. It was even made easier for them to do so, in 2019. During Trump's presidency.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The plans for maternity flight suits came up in September of 2019. During Trump's presidency.

Pregnant pilots are also already free to continue flying, if they so choose. It was even made easier for them to do so, in 2019. During Trump's presidency.

And it was done quietly and without fanfare because, unlike Burden, Trump wasn't playing the identity politics game.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

And it was done quietly and without fanfare because, unlike Burden, Trump wasn't playing the identity politics game.

Below is the entire speech by Biden, I've highlighted the part were he mentions the maternity flight suits. Wow, such fanfare.

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Madam Vice President, and thank you, Mr. Secretary.

On Friday, I submitted to the Senate for confirmation my first slate of nominations for four-star command positions in our Armed Forces — among them, two outstanding and eminently

qualified warriors and patriots. General Jacqueline Van Ovost in the United States Air Force is currently the only female four-star officer serving in our military. I nominated her as Commander of the United States Transportation Command.

And when confirmed, the Lieutenant General Laura Richardson, of the United States Army, will be promoted in rank and join General Van Ovost as the only four-star — as another four-star general. I nominated her as Commander in the United States Southern Command.

And, when confirmed, they will become the second and third women in the history of the United States Armed Forces to lead combatant commands.

Each of these women have led careers demonstrating incomparable skill, integrity, and duty to country. And at every step, they’ve also helped push open the doors of opportunity to women in our military — blazing the trail a little wider, a little brighter for all the proud women following in their path and looking to their example.

And I wanted to shine the light on these accomplishments for those women today because General Van Ovost — as reiterated in an interview this last week, and I’m the second person to say this — it’s hard to be what you can’t see. It’s hard to be what you can’t see, but you’ll soon see.

Today is International Women’s Day. And we all need to see and to recognize the barrier-breaking accomplishments of these women. We need the young women just beginning their careers in the military service to see it and know that no door will be closed to them. We need women and men throughout the ranks to see and celebrate women’s accomplishments and leadership in the services. We need little girls and boys both, who have grown up dreaming of serving for their country, to know this is what generals in the United States Armed Forces look like. This is what Vice Presidents of United States look like.

So I’d like to spend just a few minutes today making sure that America knows who General Van Ovost is and Lieutenant General Richardson is. They’re aviators. Both learned to fly planes before they were old enough to drive a car.

General Van Ovost, a first-generation — is a first-generation American: the daughter of Dutch immigrants who owned a flying operation. She loved the freedom of flight and, as a teenager, flew herself to see Sally Ride lift off as the first woman in space. Sixteen years old, goes down to see Sally Ride. She said she was at several thousand feet watching from a distance.

You know, women weren’t — were banned from flying combat missions when the General joined the force, so she focused on becoming a test pilot. And instead of learning to fly just one plane, she learned to fly everything, including Air Force Two when I was Vice President.

General Van Ovost currently is — oversees Air Mobility Command: approximately 107,000 airmen and 1,100 planes that enable America’s air power and humanitarian assistance to go everywhere in the world it need be. From flying water to Texans after the recent storms, to ensuring our wounded warriors are evacuated for medical care from anywhere in the world, she gets it done.

Lieutenant General Richardson’s parents were proud patriots. It must have rubbed off because Lieutenant General Richardson and her brother and sister all joined the Army. Her father encouraged her to join ROTC in college, even though that meant commuting to a different school.

When Lieutenant General Richardson joined the Army Aviation Branch, women were banned from flying attack helicopters. She flew to — in support of combatant — combat missions, and conducting lift operations of her UH-1 — the so-called “Huey” — and the Blackhawks.

Now, as a commanding general of the United States Army North, Lieutenant General Richardson oversees military ground responses here in North America all over — all over the last year. That’s meant getting military and medical personnel deployed to help in our response to this pandemic. More than 4,500 military and medical personnel deployed in hospitals across 14 states and the Navajo Nation to treat COVID-19 patients. It means more than 2,200 medical personnel are working, or soon will be, at vaccination sites in eight states and the United States Virgin Islands.

I’m so proud of the incredible work Lieutenant General Richardson and her team have done to support the American people this year, and the American people are as well. They’re warriors. They’re crisis-tested commanders.

But best of all — but best of all, they’re not done yet. Neither of these incredible generals is resting on her laurels or on her stars. They’re using their voices and actively working to change policies in the military to make it easier and safer for more women not just to join the military, but to stay in the military and to thrive.

I’m incredibly proud that in 2015, under the Obama-Biden administration, we took the final steps to open up all positions in the military to anyone qualified to serve in them. The women who join today’s military aren’t told “no” when they apply to fly fighter jets or attack helicopters just because of their gender. They aren’t told “no” when they want to apply to Ranger School or infantry officer basic training.

But they all know that there’s much, much more work to be done to ensure that women’s leadership is recognized and we have more diverse leaders; we reach the top echelons of command for all who are qualified, including all women — all women; and that all women feel safe and respected in our military — period.

You know, some of — some of it is relatively straightforward work where we’re making good progress designing body armor that fits women properly; tailoring combat uniforms for women; creating maternity flight suits; updating — updating requirements for their hairstyles.

And some of it is going to take — and — you know, an intensity of purpose and mission to really change the culture and habits that cause women to leave the military:

That women are — making sure more diverse candidates are considering — being considered for career-advancing opportunities at every single level.

That women aren’t penalized in their careers for having children.

That women aren’t just token members, but integral parts throughout all branches and all divisions.

And that they can completely, fairly engage in promotion and compete all across the board, including on the — on age and gender neutrality and the physical fitness test.

You know that both members of the — of the military couples can thrive while serving, like Lieutenant General Richardson and her husband, Lieutenant General Richardson, who, I might add, I want to thank you for getting me off a mountain that was about 12- to 14,000 feet up on a goat path when our helicopter went down in a snowstorm. It’s good to see you, General. The ride down that mountain was more perilous in a truck than it was in the helicopter, but thank you.

And we have to take on sexual assault and harassment and violence against women in the military. Sexual assault is a abhorrent and wrong at any time. And in our military, where so much of unit cohesion is built on trusting your fellow service members to have your back, there’s nothing less than a threat to our national security.

I know Secretary Austin takes this as seriously as Vice President Harris and I do. That’s why his first memo as Secretary was a directive to take on sexual assault in the military and why he stepped up independent review — he set up an Independent Review Commission on Sexual Assault to make concrete recommendations for changes.

This is going to be an all-hands-on-deck effort under my administration to end the scourge of sexual assault in the military. And we’re going to be focused on that from the very top. I know that we can do it.

The U.S. Military has defeated American enemies on land, in air, and at sea, and this is not beyond us.

I want to thank General Van Ovost — Ovost and Lieutenant General Richardson for their exemplary careers and service to our country. You’re America’s patriotism at its finest: undaunted and absolutely — absolutely able to do anything by any obstacle; determined to open wide and the doors of opportunity; and ready for the next challenge.

It’s my great honor to serve as your Commander-in-Chief. And I look forward to hearing your active-duty and recommendations of how we will work together to keep the American people safe to meet every challenge in the 21st century.

So I want to thank you both. And I want to thank Sec- — the former general — I keep calling him “General.” My — the guy who runs that outfit over there. I want to make sure we thank the Secretary for all he’s done to try to implement what we’ve just talked about, and for recommending these two women for promotion.

Thank you all. May God bless you all. And may God protect our troops. Thank you.

Thank you, everybody.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The plans for maternity flight suits came up in September of 2019. During Trump's presidency.

Pregnant pilots are also already free to continue flying, if they so choose. It was even made easier for them to do so, in 2019. During Trump's presidency.

Maternity wear in the military has been around for a very long long time. I remember seeing them in the 70's. Whether they're flight suits, coveralls, dress uniforms, fatigues, or whatever. Every branch of service has them and improvements and changes are made all the time. In this case a change was made to a pregnant woman's flight status. Which probably in turn allowed the change to uniform apparel to be made. It's happened before I don't see what the controversy it's its old news. But it is today's headline though and like flies... well you know.

However as for a woman's choice, it's not a free for all. The choice' applies only between the 1st and 34th week of an uncomplicated pregnancy. To continue to fly applies only to non-ejection type aircraft or UAV's. Pilots of other aircraft will most likely be grounded as soon as the pregnancy is known. Physical standards are in writing and must always be met by both men and women in all branches of the U.S. armed forces, it's not a secret everyone in the service knows this. They also know the flight surgeon or other qualified physician determines the physical health of the service member and whether they can continue performing their duty. A doctor will be the one who determines whether a pregnancy may affect a woman's flight status just as he will determine if a man's vision has declined to the point him being unable to effectively do his job.

In my opinion the biggest change in all of this is the fact that a pregnant woman no longer has to waste time cutting through red tape for waivers and special doctor's appointments just to prove she's capable to carry out her duty between weeks 1 and 34 of an uncomplicated pregnancy. It's just been made easier for her to continue doing her job without the headache of having to jump through hoops. Its the Air Force ferchrissakes, its not like its a hard job

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Below is the entire speech by Biden, I've highlighted the part were he mentions the maternity flight suits. Wow, such fanfare.

Yes, fanfare. That a mundane thing was even part of a speech is fanfare. Newsflash - none of us who were or are in the military who don't have an agenda give a sh!t about something like this because it's a don't care item since maternity wear for women has been around for ages - as long as you do your job and pull your own weight, no one cares if you are male or female.

[Jeff-Groves]

I was dating a Woman once when I got into a bar fight.
As the Bouncers held me back the other Guy sucker punched me!
That Woman JUMPED over the bouncers and broke his nose dropping him instantly!

I married her and am still married to her. So guess who MY back up is?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The plans for maternity flight suits came up in September of 2019. During Trump's presidency.

Pregnant pilots are also already free to continue flying, if they so choose. It was even made easier for them to do so, in 2019. During Trump's presidency.

So in essences Biden is taking credit for maternity suits that started to take shape(no pun intended) during the Trump administration as well as credit for the vaccine that also was completed during the Trump administration.