[WIP] König Bismarck

[ivank]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

Your making a H-44 battleship? , You sir, have made a new best friend

thank you.

[ivank]

Originally Posted by AntEater

First of all, "König Bismarck" sounds really dumb.
Bismarck was a Chancellor, in british terms, a prime minister, not a king.
I know it is an analogy to the Königstiger tank, but Königstiger is the german word for Bengal tiger, so it is an animal. The "king" does not mean "king size".

Also, the H Class had only one change of being realized, that was in its original form.
A 16 inch armed diesel driven raider battleship with some innovative features and some no brainers like installing the aircraft hanger (with avgas tanks) near the rear turret barbette.
H-44 and the preceding designs were to be completed "after final victory", that means after Germany somehow managed to defeat not only Britain, but also the USSR and the US. Maybe they were meant for the final showdown with Japan!
So that makes a H-44 about as likely as the sea turning into chocolate.
I have my suspicion that designs like H 44 had more to do with the general war situation. A lot of engineers worked in the Navy surface ship design bureaus that were not involved in U-Boats essentially had nothing to do. According to the mobilization construction program, no new vessels above destroyer size were to be constructed. And even these destroyers and smaller vessels were evolutionary, not revolutionary designs gradually improved by the yards themselves, except for the almost completed diesel destroyer Z 51.
So all those engineers were pretty much waiting for their call to the east front if they did not keep themselves busy.
So they kept churning out plans not only for mega battleships but also for practically every type of warship until almost the last day.

the Konig Bismarck is a name i gave to it as a sign of power. i know Bismarck was a chancellor. its just a name. if you want when i release it you can change the name.

[ubootcomrade]

I know that König Bismarck sounds like a cool name, but realisticaly if it was built it would have most likely been bestowed with a name like 'Germania' or 'Hindenburg' due to its obvious prestige and massive size. Just a suggestion but i like the name König Bismarck as well

[ivank]

if/when i release him, i might release 2 ships

[ubootcomrade]

I dont really know a lot about modding but theres a lot of talented people on these forums that I am certain will be able to solve your modding problems

[AntEater]

The drawings are for H-39. H-44 was generally similar but the superstructure was much smaller compared to the hull size. It always seemed to me that the actual designing was not much more than increase dimensions in a linear fashion. The only real difference was that the aviation component was moved to a more logical and traditional midships spot, similar to the arrangement on Bismarck.
The great difference was below waterline:
From H-42 on, the design featured a "tunnel" protecting the rudders and screws from hits like the one that crippled Bismarck.
The most likely speculative names were "Friedrich der Grosse" and "Hindenburg" for the first two, and maybe some other statesmen for the next.

[ivank]

since i dont know how to edit the superstructure, im not going to, other than increased lenght and width, and the tunnels on the props, and added funnel. he will look the same.

[ivank]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

I dont really know a lot about modding but theres a lot of talented people on these forums that I am certain will be able to solve your modding problems

same here, this is my lst major mod.

[mickey117]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

I hope this is of some help for you ivank, its the draft of the H class battleship



gotta love Wikipedia

when you think about its a really big ship it said that the H44 would weigh bout 120 thousand tones and that would slow it down alot and i think it would be the same case that happened with the yamoto sure shes/he is big but not invincible

[mickey117]

yet still cant wait until finished hope you can sort out those problems good luck
PS the name seems alright

[Seawolve44]

I gotta admit I can't wait to sail the High Seas with the H-39 and/or the H-44 class modern Super Battleships. In a dream Kreigmarine fleet, I would name the ships KM Germania (H-44), KM Mackensen (H-39), and the KM Moltke (H-39), along with the Tirpitz, Gneisenau, Prinz Eugen, Hipper, 2 Deutschand class pocket battleships, one fleet carrier KM Graf Zeppelin, one escort carrier KM Seydlitz, plus 15 Z-class destroyers. I could hardly imagine a campaign to break out of the Atlantic in a all out commerce raiding scenario, sail into the Indian Ocean, shell the shores of Australia, evade US carrier aircraft, join the Yamato and the Musashi in the Philippines by 1944, annihilate the US fleet at Samar, Sibuyun, and the Leyte, return to the atlantic with a joint German/Japanese task force and crush the British Home fleet, block US/British/Soviet commerce. Sink the newly built HMS Vanguard. I could believe two Iowa class battleships are barely gonna stand up against the two Yamatos, Two H-39, and a H-44 battleship.:p Only downfall is if the US or British carriers catch my fleet sneaking in undetected, then I shall take the beating, or perhaps down down with my ship, knowing I served the Vaterland well, and changed the textbooks of history, that WWII was not an easy win by sea, thus giving the Kriegsmarine surface fleet a higher status it should've deserved. Hope this helps for a nice storyline motivation.

-Seavolve44
Zach Fox

[fair_weather]

When you get into the theoretical what ifs of WW2, that's when things get interesting.

In your theoretical operation Seawolve44, you're forgetting that taking that many ships to the West to help the Japanese, leaves the Atlantic wide open. Plus there's the possibility that with their taskforce could be ambushed and damaged on route. Gibraltar is in between them if they plan to go around Africa, and then there's Russia the other way.

The Uboat fleet would have to be bigger to warrant such a large dispatch of ships. A more possible and feasible move would be an invasion of Ireland and Britain. Logistics would be handled by the flagforce of battleships and the Graf Zepplin. The GZ would deploy paratroopers and bombers to the minor cities along the coast while the Battleships shell the mainland. Uboats would be used to ferry troops to captured harbours and go from there.

Or if they did something like a reverse Operation Overlord, they could do it. Take Europe like they did, ignore Russia for the time being, take France and prepare a strike fleet from the captured french ports. Don't bother making Uboat pens yet, Take Britain and go from there. After Britain has been captured they could take over some of the British assets. Now there's an interesting thought...

[ivank]

I am glad to see interset in this mod still exists, however this thread is now part of TSWSM Offical Post. Please post there for now on. Thank you.

[Sledgehammer427]

Originally Posted by ubootcomrade

wow, looks like a Bismarck with a second funnel, removed hangar, and a (stupidly) relocated catapult. If only I had a working 3D editor, i could get that done in a heartbeat...proly with a Scharnhorst model, because it would take a year after that heartbeat to edit the deck properly. So, modify the Scharnhorst to have a second funnel, a Caesar turret. lengthen it a few feet, widen, and done!

don't worry, it sounds like I'm skipping details, but trust me, it will have its own originality.

[A Very Super Market]

The H44 with 20' guns would no doubt be slow, unwieldy, and a very inviting target for planes. Massive guns would be more suited to a line of battle, which in WWII never happened. Ships were too mobile, aircraft powerful, the H44 would be almost completely useless.

The H39, however, was fairly well thought out. 16' guns were more practical, left more room for AA, and ship would undoubtedly be faster. But it would still be obsolete in the settings. Heres a list of battleships sunk in battle during WWII

Hood- By Bismarck
Bismarck- Torpedo bombers followed by Nelson
Prince of Wales- Air attack
Repulse- Same air attack
New Mexico, Arizona- Total loss by aircraft
Conte di Cavour, Littorio, Caio Duilio- Torpedo Bombers
Musashi, Yamato- Aircraft
Royal Oak- U-47
Fuso, Yamashiro- Failed Trafalgor-esque battle, sunk by numerous battleships
Graf Spee- Damaged by cruisers, then scuttled
Scharnhorst- Damage by cruisers, then Duke of York
Kongo- Submarine
Hiei- Damaged by aircraft, then scuttled
Haruna- Aircraft in harbour
Kirishima- Damaged by ship, then scuttled
Tirpitz- Aircraft
Ise- Aircraft
Hyuga- Aircraft, then run aground
Mutsu- Spontaneous naval combustion

You can see that the majority were sunk as a direct result of air assault. Still not convinced? The ones that sank by battleships were at battles lacking air power completely.