UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson will delay a decision on whether to quit the Brexit trade negotiations until after the European Council summit ends on Friday, after it became clear his no-deal deadline will be missed tomorrow.

The Prime Minister set an October 15 deadline for the trade agreement to be “in sight” by the EU summit, which starts on Thursday afternoon.

David Frost, the UK’s chief negotiator, will brief Mr Johnson today before the Prime Minister speaks to Ursula von der Leyen, the European Commission president.

Lord Frost will tell the Prime Minister that he thinks a deal can still be done, but warn that trade negotiations must be stepped up and further intensified if the agreement is to be clinched.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

I'm a little surprised Boris has given some ground but I do think this is the sensible thing to do.

I also think this is Boris way to show everyone he is acting as reasonably as he can.

[Catfish]

All are and will be screwed

https://translate.google.com/transla...k-brechen.html

[mapuc]

I saw since several weeks, an episode of Brexit, Boris and the Brits on our news channel.

I learned something new and why I dislike EU.

A majority of the agreements have been reached-the only deadlock in the ongoing Brexit discussion is Other EU members right to fishing in the English territorial waters.

In the Studio an expert on EU said

UK is also negotiating the right over their own territorial waters

This statement made me wonder- how much does the EU decides over its member states, when a country like UK who has left EU and are now negotiating the right to use their own territorial waters.

I truly hope I misunderstod this woman-the EU expert

Markus

[Catfish]

Will not try to change your opinion, no chance.

[mapuc]

Sorry Catfish, I did not read your link. I have now or part of it.

The same problems goes here in Denmark. 42 % of all the fish that is being caught by the fishermen is done in the UK's territorial waters.

So a hard brexit will knock the feet of many Danish Fishermen.

My standpoints towards EU is NOT based on what my friends write or not-it's based on what I hear in the MSM news coverage.

Edit
It's not so much the EU I dislike, it's more the Danish and the Swedish politicians who, in their worshipping of EU have gladly given away these two countries sovereignty to EU, step by step.
End edit

Markus

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mapuc

[...] Edit
It's not so much the EU I dislike, it's more the Danish and the Swedish politicians who, in their worshipping of EU have gladly given away these two countries sovereignty to EU, step by step.
End edit Markus

"Joining pretty much any international organisation involves losing some aspect of sovereignty", said Robin Nibelett, an expert in international law and the director of Chatham House.

He added: "The USA is a member of the World Trade Organisation and is therefore subject to its rulings on trade disputes.

"So even the US, this great sovereign nation has worked out that on trade it is worth sacrificing a bit of its sovereignty."

In fact, signing any international treaty involves a loss of sovereignty.

British legislation is subordinate or subjected to the requirements of the World Health Organisation; the International Monetary Fund; the WTO; the United Nations; the International Criminal Court, and the European Court of Human Rights."

The latter seems to a real bad thing for some. But NOT in my book.
The latter, by the way, is often criticised by Leavers who believe it allows terrorists and other baddies an easy run but don't seem to understand that it was
A: a British idea and creation, and
B: had nothing to do with the EU.

Just saying. They never gave away sovereignty or control other than to trade and agreements both/all sides signed. Same for Denmark.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

All are and will be screwed

https://translate.google.com/transla...k-brechen.html

Agreed, too much emphasis is being put on what is not a huge issue or shouldn't be.

[Catfish]

This is really hard to watch. Boris Johnson's three-fold cadence:

1. Pretending to do something positive and negotiate while he and his cronies wanted a hard brexit all along.
2. Let negotiations fail with the excuse of a some peanuts and blame others for the upcoming crisis.
3. Portray himself as the great statesman who is at he helm and solves the crisis.

1 and 2 accomplished, now ...

[Jimbuna]

Talks between the UK and EU over a post-Brexit trade agreement are "over", Downing Street has said.

No 10 said there was "no point" in discussions continuing next week unless the EU was prepared to discuss the detailed legal text of a partnership.

Earlier, Boris Johnson said the UK had to "get ready" to trade with the EU next year without an agreement.

The EU has said it is willing to "intensify" discussions but it will not do a deal "at any price".

The UK set a deadline of Thursday to decide whether it was worth continuing talks amid disagreements in key areas.

The EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier due in London next week for further discussions but Downing Street suggested his trip would be pointless unless the EU shifted its position.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54566897

This could well be GAME OVER

[skidman]

Agreed. Recent statements from the summit in Brussels suggest there is hardly any room to negotiate left.

[Jimbuna]

Yes, both sides appear to be firmly entrenched so it's probably better if they both moved on.

[Catfish]

[mapuc]

You may disagree when I write:

Both side is very stubborn in their acting.

It could be that an agreement will be reached 1 sec before deadline-who knows.

Markus

[Catfish]

"Both"? There are 27 other nations in the EU, apart from England.

[Skybird]

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