Question about AI subs

Yorktown_Class · 04-26-08, 04:15 AM

I was patrolling my favorite spot when I had a warship heading right at me,most of the time going through BE55 it is usually a AI sub,well at the same time I had a modern tanker come through and they both ignored each other,niether fired on one another,it was a clear afternoon,British tanker,German sub,I ended up waiting til last minute to fire a torpedo at the tanker to see what the other sub would do,it just kept going north east.
Are the AI subs just for show?
I am using GWX 2.1-OLCE2,and some other ship mods.

Thanks much

GoldenRivet · 04-26-08, 04:39 AM

depending on sea state, time of day, and the speed of both vessels there may have been factors at play within SH3 that prevented the two from detecting one another.

just a possibility.

AI subs - regardless of nationality - will used deck guns and AA guns to engage you and other ships when they have detected the presence of a target.

they cannot submurge, nor can they fire torpedoes, i believe GWX can make them spawn submurged... if this is the case they cannot surface, or fire any of their weaponry wile submurged.

04-26-08, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorktown_Class

I was patrolling my favorite spot when I had a warship heading right at me,most of the time going through BE55 it is usually a AI sub,well at the same time I had a modern tanker come through and they both ignored each other,niether fired on one another,it was a clear afternoon,British tanker,German sub,I ended up waiting til last minute to fire a torpedo at the tanker to see what the other sub would do,it just kept going north east.
Are the AI subs just for show?
I am using GWX 2.1-OLCE2,and some other ship mods.

Thanks much

Does this Tanker began zigzaging at all ?

Yorktown_Class · 04-26-08, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Contact

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Originally Posted by Yorktown_Class

I was patrolling my favorite spot when I had a warship heading right at me,most of the time going through BE55 it is usually a AI sub,well at the same time I had a modern tanker come through and they both ignored each other,niether fired on one another,it was a clear afternoon,British tanker,German sub,I ended up waiting til last minute to fire a torpedo at the tanker to see what the other sub would do,it just kept going north east.
Are the AI subs just for show?
I am using GWX 2.1-OLCE2,and some other ship mods.

Thanks much

Does this Tanker began zigzaging at all ?

No zigzaging at all,it was like two ships from same country passing each other.

GoldenRivet · 04-26-08, 07:18 PM

what was the date?

are you 100% sure it was a german sub and not a british sub?

if the tanker was not zig zagging it had not yet detected the presence of an enemy unit?

was it day or night?

what was the weather like?

did you positively ID the submarine as a german unit?

approximately what distance separated the two ships?

Did the AI u-boat have his gun pointed at the enemy ship but was not firing? (if so he was out of ammo)

a lot of strage events can happen in SH3. and a lot of factors influence the course of events.

Yorktown_Class · 04-26-08, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

what was the date?

are you 100% sure it was a german sub and not a british sub?

if the tanker was not zig zagging it had not yet detected the presence of an enemy unit?

was it day or night?

what was the weather like?

did you positively ID the submarine as a german unit?

approximately what distance separated the two ships?

Did the AI u-boat have his gun pointed at the enemy ship but was not firing? (if so he was out of ammo)

a lot of strage events can happen in SH3. and a lot of factors influence the course of events.

It was a VIIC for sure.
Distance was just a tad over 1000m.
It was afternoon and totally clear.
No the subs gun was not pointing at the target.

GoldenRivet · 04-26-08, 08:00 PM

GWX 2.1 eh... what was the Date?

was it a brand new 1939 career?

04-26-08, 08:08 PM

At times I have seen AI units go 'stupid'.
It seems the detection routines fail at times.
I have seen this in stock and modded installs.
I've also seen units crash into one another!!

GoldenRivet · 04-26-08, 08:21 PM

im curious if this was a GWX 2.1 brand new 1939 career as it starts in August 1939... not September 1939

if this is the case

both units were in fact neutral

04-26-08, 08:24 PM

Very good point.

Yorktown_Class · 04-26-08, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

GWX 2.1 eh... what was the Date?

was it a brand new 1939 career?

Can't give exact date,but it was in Jan 43,and yes I started a new career,Aug 39..

GoldenRivet · 04-26-08, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorktown_Class

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

GWX 2.1 eh... what was the Date?

was it a brand new 1939 career?

Can't give exact date,but it was in Jan 43,and yes I started a new career,Aug 39..

well i guess this is another one for the bernard files.

Privateer offeres up the most probably explanation in this situation as it were... the AI probably just went stupid for a moment.

if it is a repeat problem, you might have an issue with your installation.

04-26-08, 08:43 PM

I'd say it's the 'stupid' issue.
Just now thinking about it
and the situations I've seen.
It might be related to waypoints.
As AI units approach waypoints the game engine starts the calculations
needed to follow.
Perhaps, for a time, the AI attack routine is dumped?
:hmm:
Which AI routine takes presidence?
And when?

Sailor Steve · 04-26-08, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorktown_Class

Can't give exact date,but it was in Jan 43,and yes I started a new career,Aug 39..

You started in August '39 and you're in January '43 already? I haven't even started playing 2.1 yet!

You're quick!

Yorktown_Class · 04-26-08, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by Yorktown_Class

Can't give exact date,but it was in Jan 43,and yes I started a new career,Aug 39..

You started in August '39 and you're in January '43 already? I haven't even started playing 2.1 yet!

You're quick!

Nothing but time on my hands for the next month and a half

04-26-08, 04:15 AM	#1
Yorktown_Class Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 263 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Question about AI subs I was patrolling my favorite spot when I had a warship heading right at me,most of the time going through BE55 it is usually a AI sub,well at the same time I had a modern tanker come through and they both ignored each other,niether fired on one another,it was a clear afternoon,British tanker,German sub,I ended up waiting til last minute to fire a torpedo at the tanker to see what the other sub would do,it just kept going north east. Are the AI subs just for show? I am using GWX 2.1-OLCE2,and some other ship mods. Thanks much __________________ David

04-26-08, 04:39 AM	#2
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,712 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	depending on sea state, time of day, and the speed of both vessels there may have been factors at play within SH3 that prevented the two from detecting one another. just a possibility. AI subs - regardless of nationality - will used deck guns and AA guns to engage you and other ships when they have detected the presence of a target. they cannot submurge, nor can they fire torpedoes, i believe GWX can make them spawn submurged... if this is the case they cannot surface, or fire any of their weaponry wile submurged. __________________

04-26-08, 07:18 PM	#5
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,712 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	what was the date? are you 100% sure it was a german sub and not a british sub? if the tanker was not zig zagging it had not yet detected the presence of an enemy unit? was it day or night? what was the weather like? did you positively ID the submarine as a german unit? approximately what distance separated the two ships? Did the AI u-boat have his gun pointed at the enemy ship but was not firing? (if so he was out of ammo) a lot of strage events can happen in SH3. and a lot of factors influence the course of events. __________________

04-26-08, 08:00 PM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,712 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	GWX 2.1 eh... what was the Date? was it a brand new 1939 career? __________________

04-26-08, 08:21 PM	#9
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,712 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	im curious if this was a GWX 2.1 brand new 1939 career as it starts in August 1939... not September 1939 if this is the case both units were in fact neutral __________________

04-26-08, 08:08 PM	#8
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	At times I have seen AI units go 'stupid'. It seems the detection routines fail at times. I have seen this in stock and modded installs. I've also seen units crash into one another!!

04-26-08, 08:24 PM	#10
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Very good point.

04-26-08, 08:43 PM	#13
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'd say it's the 'stupid' issue. Just now thinking about it and the situations I've seen. It might be related to waypoints. As AI units approach waypoints the game engine starts the calculations needed to follow. Perhaps, for a time, the AI attack routine is dumped? :hmm: Which AI routine takes presidence? And when?