Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Skybird wrote

"I assume the Ukrainians would attack the convoy if they could or think it were the wise thing to do.

Conclusion: they can'T, or an unknown factor we do not know speaks against it."

Well according to Pentagon they have-They have stalled this huge column by destroying bridges and even attacked them by destroying tanks.

“We are striking the enemy’s columns,” Brig. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov told Military Times in an exclusive interview Wednesday morning. “We burn many columns of the enemy.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...military-says/

Again I don't know what's correct here.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Skybird wrote

Well according to Pentagon they have-They have stalled this huge column by destroying bridges and even attacked them by destroying tanks.

The heavier and the more repeatedly, the better...!

I did not mean to rule out they could do it, I wanted to express only that the Ukrainians will do what they can and when they can, and when they do not then it might be due to factors that force them to do it not, and that we must not necessarily know thers erssons why they do somehtign not. Just that.That they have reasons for what they do and when, and do not - not more I wanted to say.

[mapuc]

Putin has determined to entrapment Ukraine into the Russian federation.
(Which I think he will)

Can anyone tell me what Mr. Putin will do if he fail to do so ?

Personally I think Putin will manage to take Ukraine-It will take longer than he expected and will cost him a lot more than he expected.
What if...there's always this What if....

Markus

[mapuc]

What is your opinion on this subject
A no-fly zone over Ukraine supported by the UN

Just read a comment from a Danish politician who spoke warmly about this no-fly-zone.

Saying it will not end in WW3 as many are afraid of would happen.

I say...we stay out of this...we help the Ukrainian with defensive weapons, medicin and other none offensive stuff.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

^ Which is what many countries are currently doing.

[Jimbuna]

Ukrainian authorities say Russia is not observing a temporary ceasefire that was agreed in two cities.

The ceasefire was designed to let civilians leave Mariupol and Volnovakha.

But Ukrainian authorities say attacks are continuing, and the evacuation is postponed.

Mariupol - a key southern port - has been besieged by Russian forces for days.

Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin says he will not impose martial law - military rule - in Russia.

He also warns Western countries against imposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine.

Ukraine's president has condemned Nato for ruling out the no-fly zone.

But Western leaders say introducing the measure would be an escalation.

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine invasion: Are Russia's attacks war crimes?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60583926

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can anyone tell me what Mr. Putin will do if he fail to do so ?

Escalate.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

What is your opinion on this subject
A no-fly zone over Ukraine supported by the UN

Just read a comment from a Danish politician who spoke warmly about this no-fly-zone.

Saying it will not end in WW3 as many are afraid of would happen.

I say...we stay out of this...we help the Ukrainian with defensive weapons, medicin and other none offensive stuff.

Markus

How do you call it when NATO fighters and SAMS and Russian fighters and SAMS start shooting at each other?

[Armistead]

I think it's foolish to take any option of the table, even strategically. Not saying we do it, but he should at least have to worry about any option out there being on the table. Putin seems to be emboldened by weakness and his ability to bully and our constant "we're not doing this" only emboldens him more.

[Skybird]

The FAZ titles (about Germany):


"Das Auenland schwört dem Aberglauben ab."





(means as much as The Shire renounces superstition)

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mapuc

What is your opinion on this subject
A no-fly zone over Ukraine supported by the UN

Just read a comment from a Danish politician who spoke warmly about this no-fly-zone.

Saying it will not end in WW3 as many are afraid of would happen.

I say...we stay out of this...we help the Ukrainian with defensive weapons, medicin and other none offensive stuff.

Markus

I think it was stupid to take it off the table and a UN option is a good idea except Russia and China would veto it, so we would need to kick them out of the UN. I think with the civilian refugee crisis coming that will probably be worse than when Obama pulled a Putin on Libya hits, we'll either have to watch a genocide of suffering or install a partial no fly zone in western Ukraine.

[Armistead]

One thing for sure, the defense industry is have a collective mass orgasm right now!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think it was stupid to take it off the table and a UN option is a good idea except Russia and China would veto it, so we would need to kick them out of the UN. I think with the civilian refugee crisis coming that will probably be worse than when Obama pulled a Putin on Libya hits, we'll either have to watch a genocide of suffering or install a partial no fly zone in western Ukraine.

I found the author-this politician

I remembered wrong he didn't mentioned UN.

"NATO refuses to impose no-fly zones over Ukrainian airspace, so as to protect the civilian population from ruthless airstrikes.
NATO's Jens Stoltenberg says: "We are not part of the conflict."
But that is not true.
We just prolong the pain. And makes the same mistake as in Syria, where Putin's planes also carried out ruthless air bombardments of the civilian population.
Majority of Americans 74% (across partisanship) support no-fly zones over Ukraine!"

Markus

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I found the author-this politician

I remembered wrong he didn't mentioned UN.

"NATO refuses to impose no-fly zones over Ukrainian airspace, so as to protect the civilian population from ruthless airstrikes.
NATO's Jens Stoltenberg says: "We are not part of the conflict."
But that is not true.
We just prolong the pain. And makes the same mistake as in Syria, where Putin's planes also carried out ruthless air bombardments of the civilian population.
Majority of Americans 74% (across partisanship) support no-fly zones over Ukraine!"

Markus

Well, regardless of how it got here, high players in NATO and the defense industry will do all it can to take advantage of this situation to break Russia, build NATO and increase defense spending. Prolonging the suffering in Ukraine to help bleed Russia and destroy their economy may be a viable and acceptable outcome for NATO, tho with great risk.