Ha Ha....Torpedoes are silly! - Page 2

cookiemonste · 06-29-17, 10:35 AM

Thank you for this thread. And you got realy lucky, I usually die when that happpens.

Jace11 · 06-29-17, 11:00 AM

Does anyone know why they don't detonate when in proximity to a decoy or moss? I notice this is very different to what happens n Dangerous Waters where they often explode when reaching decoys.

Don't they have more than just a contact fuse? Or is it perhaps BECAUSE they expect to encounter noisemakers and the like that they do not use a proximity fuse activated by the seeker (i.e. based on range)?

LightFeather · 06-29-17, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace11

Does anyone know why they don't detonate when in proximity to a decoy or moss? I notice this is very different to what happens n Dangerous Waters where they often explode when reaching decoys.

Don't they have more than just a contact fuse? Or is it perhaps BECAUSE they expect to encounter noisemakers and the like that they do not use a proximity fuse activated by the seeker (i.e. based on range)?

I have no hands-on experience with USN weapons, but I believe most modern torpedoes have a magnetic as well as contact fuse, and the magnetic fuse is probably programmed to the expected magnetic intensity of a warship or submarine, and obviously a MOSS or decoy would have a much lesser magnetic signature than an actual ship

ikalugin · 06-30-17, 01:57 AM

In theory it should be possible to generate the magnetic signature magnitude.

MBot · 06-30-17, 03:26 AM

Also since some subs have titanium hulls, shouldn't magnetic fusing be merely an option rather than a requirement?

Ansgar Burkhard · 06-30-17, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MBot

Also since some subs have titanium hulls, shouldn't magnetic fusing be merely an option rather than a requirement?

A handful of subs have titanium hulls. Most have non magnetic steel hulls at least in part of their build. They are also degaussed regularly. But obviously 10k tons of steel (non magnetic or not) will always have a residual magnetic signature which can be quite large (even considering a 0.1% magnetization it is still a 10 ton magnet).

MBot · 06-30-17, 03:49 AM

So would the titanium hull of an Alfa or Sierra be sufficient magnetic to trigger the fuse of a torpedo? Because if you hard-wire your torpedo to ignore acoustic proximity fusing unless there is also a magnetic signature (in order to ignore decoys), then every genuine target must have a magnetic signature.

ikalugin · 06-30-17, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MBot

So would the titanium hull of an Alfa or Sierra be sufficient magnetic to trigger the fuse of a torpedo? Because if you hard-wire your torpedo to ignore acoustic proximity fusing unless there is also a magnetic signature (in order to ignore decoys), then every genuine target must have a magnetic signature.

Most likely yes, because the sub still has measurable magnetic fields. The difference is that it does not need a de-magnetising system for it's pressure hull.

cj95 · 06-30-17, 09:52 AM

Well I tried to get too fancy the other night.

I tried to go all Tom Clancy and moved my La Class in behind a November nice and slow just to see how close I could get without being detected.

Finally decided to fire at about a mere 700 yards and amazingly my torpedo missed at first and attempted to circle around to reengage.

Problem was I was sitting like an idiot only 700 yards away so when it circled the first thing it spotted was me

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Oh crap! That's why we don't engage from that close!

LeopardDriver · 06-30-17, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Thresher

Shame MOSS are not wire guided. Imagine the merry goose chase you could lead enemy (and sometimes your own lol!) torps on!

Great posts!

Pretty sure that can be changed within 15 seconds. ^^

max-peck · 06-30-17, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cj95

Well I tried to get too fancy the other night.

I tried to go all Tom Clancy and moved my La Class in behind a November nice and slow just to see how close I could get without being detected.

Finally decided to fire at about a mere 700 yards and amazingly my torpedo missed at first and attempted to circle around to reengage.

Problem was I was sitting like an idiot only 700 yards away so when it circled the first thing it spotted was me

.

Oh crap! That's why we don't engage from that close!

Have done exactly the same thing myself

06-30-17, 01:57 AM	#19
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	In theory it should be possible to generate the magnetic signature magnitude. __________________ Grumpy as always.

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cj95 Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 258 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	Well I tried to get too fancy the other night. I tried to go all Tom Clancy and moved my La Class in behind a November nice and slow just to see how close I could get without being detected. Finally decided to fire at about a mere 700 yards and amazingly my torpedo missed at first and attempted to circle around to reengage. Problem was I was sitting like an idiot only 700 yards away so when it circled the first thing it spotted was me. Oh crap! That's why we don't engage from that close! __________________ . >> USS TEXAS BB-35 Restoration CrewMember <<

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cookiemonste Medic Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Somewhere Posts: 167 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Thank you for this thread. And you got realy lucky, I usually die when that happpens.

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Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Does anyone know why they don't detonate when in proximity to a decoy or moss? I notice this is very different to what happens n Dangerous Waters where they often explode when reaching decoys. Don't they have more than just a contact fuse? Or is it perhaps BECAUSE they expect to encounter noisemakers and the like that they do not use a proximity fuse activated by the seeker (i.e. based on range)?

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MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Also since some subs have titanium hulls, shouldn't magnetic fusing be merely an option rather than a requirement?

06-30-17, 03:49 AM	#22
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	So would the titanium hull of an Alfa or Sierra be sufficient magnetic to trigger the fuse of a torpedo? Because if you hard-wire your torpedo to ignore acoustic proximity fusing unless there is also a magnetic signature (in order to ignore decoys), then every genuine target must have a magnetic signature.