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Catfish · 08-04-19, 11:11 AM

uh, a water-powered pump

So it does not pump water?

Eichhörnchen · 08-04-19, 11:16 AM

Is this tech from the 1800s?

skidman · 08-04-19, 11:28 AM

It pumps water, runs on water and was invented in the 19th century.

Eichhörnchen · 08-04-19, 12:29 PM

Was it for use in agriculture?

skidman · 08-04-19, 12:38 PM

It could be used for agriculture, but actually it supplied drinking water.

Buddahaid · 08-04-19, 12:39 PM

Was this used for hydraulic gold mining? Oops missed the drinking water clue. I thought of that too but hadn't found the item yet.

Eichhörnchen · 08-04-19, 12:44 PM

In the U.S.?

skidman · 08-04-19, 12:51 PM

Not in America.

Aktungbby · 08-04-19, 01:09 PM

in a Dutch polder?

skidman · 08-04-19, 01:19 PM

No, originally it was positioned on the bank of a small German creek.

Aktungbby · 08-04-19, 01:24 PM

is it still in use today?

Buddahaid · 08-04-19, 01:25 PM

Did this pump get added to an old Burg, or Schloss, water supply then?

skidman · 08-04-19, 01:33 PM

It was in use till 1971 and supplied a small village.

skidman · 08-05-19, 03:10 PM

OK, I'll be AFK the next couple of days (hiking in and near the Dutch mountains) and maybe my water pump puzzle was too specific, or water pumps are generally considered less sexy compared to ships, cars and planes. The closest guess came from Jim, so I would like to ask him to step in.

Anyway, take a look at this little beauty:

It's a Lambach pump, a special flavor of a hydraulic ram (Impulse pump). It is driven by the works water (from a river with sufficient slope), but not by the current (= kinetic energy) but by the hydrostatic pressure (=potential energy). In case of the pump near Vossenack (A small village in the beautiful Eifel region) the works water was branched off from River Kall 28 meters above the pump.

It was used to transport drinking water from a deep well to a storage tank 180 meters above the pump. More than 208 liters per minute of works water were needed to transport 27.7 liters of drinking water per minute.

The Lambach pump, an outstanding example of hydraulic engineering, was invented in Marienheide near Cologne. Some 100 units were built. They were famous for their low-maintenance and reliability and reached a degree of efficiency of up to 90%.

And this is how it works:

Some remarks:

- In reality both gears are on the same level but the lower one (in the schematic) is not connected to the axle, the small eccentric bolt (the red triangle thingy) is.

- The fast movement of the "hammer" ensures that the inlet/outlet valves (A E E A) for the works water open/close rapidly. Otherwise the pump would come to a halt.

- The four valves in the drinking water piping are simple back-pressure valves.

- The transport pistons (Förder-Kolben) have to be much smaller than the driving pistons (Trieb-Kolben) and this ratio had to be calculated individually for each pump (hydrostatic pressure, transport hight etc.).

Eichhörnchen · 08-05-19, 03:13 PM

That was a good one, mate... it was starting to drive me nuts

08-04-19, 11:11 AM	#8701
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08-04-19, 11:16 AM	#8702
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 15,755 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Is this tech from the 1800s? __________________

08-04-19, 12:29 PM	#8704
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 15,755 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Was it for use in agriculture? __________________

08-04-19, 12:39 PM	#8706
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Was this used for hydraulic gold mining? Oops missed the drinking water clue. I thought of that too but hadn't found the item yet. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-04-19, 12:44 PM	#8707
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 15,755 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	In the U.S.? __________________

08-04-19, 11:28 AM	#8703
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	It pumps water, runs on water and was invented in the 19th century.

08-04-19, 12:38 PM	#8705
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	It could be used for agriculture, but actually it supplied drinking water.

08-04-19, 12:51 PM	#8708
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Not in America.

08-04-19, 01:09 PM	#8709
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,871 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	in a Dutch polder? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-04-19, 01:19 PM	#8710
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	No, originally it was positioned on the bank of a small German creek.

08-04-19, 01:24 PM	#8711
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,871 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	is it still in use today? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-04-19, 01:25 PM	#8712
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Did this pump get added to an old Burg, or Schloss, water supply then? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-04-19, 01:33 PM	#8713
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	It was in use till 1971 and supplied a small village.

08-05-19, 03:10 PM	#8714
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	OK, I'll be AFK the next couple of days (hiking in and near the Dutch mountains) and maybe my water pump puzzle was too specific, or water pumps are generally considered less sexy compared to ships, cars and planes. The closest guess came from Jim, so I would like to ask him to step in. Anyway, take a look at this little beauty: It's a Lambach pump, a special flavor of a hydraulic ram (Impulse pump). It is driven by the works water (from a river with sufficient slope), but not by the current (= kinetic energy) but by the hydrostatic pressure (=potential energy). In case of the pump near Vossenack (A small village in the beautiful Eifel region) the works water was branched off from River Kall 28 meters above the pump. It was used to transport drinking water from a deep well to a storage tank 180 meters above the pump. More than 208 liters per minute of works water were needed to transport 27.7 liters of drinking water per minute. The Lambach pump, an outstanding example of hydraulic engineering, was invented in Marienheide near Cologne. Some 100 units were built. They were famous for their low-maintenance and reliability and reached a degree of efficiency of up to 90%. And this is how it works: Some remarks: - In reality both gears are on the same level but the lower one (in the schematic) is not connected to the axle, the small eccentric bolt (the red triangle thingy) is. - The fast movement of the "hammer" ensures that the inlet/outlet valves (A E E A) for the works water open/close rapidly. Otherwise the pump would come to a halt. - The four valves in the drinking water piping are simple back-pressure valves. - The transport pistons (Förder-Kolben) have to be much smaller than the driving pistons (Trieb-Kolben) and this ratio had to be calculated individually for each pump (hydrostatic pressure, transport hight etc.). Last edited by skidman; 08-05-19 at 03:43 PM.

08-05-19, 03:13 PM	#8715
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 15,755 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	That was a good one, mate... it was starting to drive me nuts __________________