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Skybird · 08-11-20, 05:41 AM

Russia claims to have a vaccine ready. Putin said a first vaccination campaign in high risk populations like teachers, hospital staff and the likes, shall start in early Octobre.

The WHO as always has nothing but hesitation and concerns, warning of that it is none of its own vaccine candidates. But Russia insists they did phase III trials. Putin said he let one if his daughters get vaccinated already. He also said the vaccination provides lasting immunization.

The latter remains to be seen. But it would be an embrassment for the WHO and the other research projects, if the Russians do not just claim some propaganda, but are telling the truth.

Thats the problem with the WHO. They have done so much nonsense and have claimed so much useless staff and wasted so much time that by now nobody serious believes them anything anymore and they have no authority left that gives their warnings any weight.

We will need to wait and see what happens in Russia. If the Russian claims are true, we will see it. If they are wrong, we will see that as well. Both is just a question of time. I form no opinion of it right now, but delay that to a later time.

Onkel Neal · 08-11-20, 05:53 AM

Let's hope they are right. Go Russia!

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Russia claims to have a vaccine ready. Putin said a first vaccination campaign in high risk populations like teachers, hospital staff and the likes, shall start in early Octobre.

The WHO as always has nothing but hesitation and concerns, warning of that it is none of its own vaccine candidates. But Russia insists they did phase III trials. Putin said he let one if his daughters get vaccinated already. He also said the vaccination provides lasting immunization.

The latter remains to be seen. But it would be an embrassment for the WHO and the other research projects, if the Russians do not just claim some propaganda, but are telling the truth.

Thats the problem with the WHO. They have done so much nonsense and have claimed so much useless staff and wasted so much time that by now nobody serious believes them anything anymore and they have no authority left that gives their warnings any weight.

We will need to wait and see what happens in Russia. If the Russian claims are true, we will see it. If they are wrong, we will see that as well. Both is just a question of time. I form no opinion of it right now, but delay that to a later time.

The same goes for Putin if this is a lie or baseless propaganda.

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 08:40 AM

Auckland is back in lockdown after New Zealand detects its first locally transmitted coronavirus cases in more than 100 days.

Russia says it has registered the world's first vaccine - but has not released any safety or immunity data.

The UK records its biggest quarterly drop in employment since 2009, as the pandemic hits the jobs market.

Scottish students return to classrooms for the first time since March.

There have been more than 20m cases of Covid-19 around the world, and 736,000 deaths.

More than 5m of those cases are in the US, with 3m in Brazil and 2m in India.

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 08:44 AM

New figures show 56,842 deaths where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate have been registered in the UK.

In England and Wales, 51,779 deaths involving the virus had occurred up to 31 July, according to the Office for National Statistics figures.

A total of 8,946 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the last week of July, according to the ONS - 90 fewer than the five-year average of 9,036. This is the seventh week in a row that deaths have been below the five-year average.

Of the deaths registered in the week to 31 July, 193 mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate - the lowest number of deaths involving Covid-19 since the week ending March 20 (103 deaths).

The National Records for Scotland reported 4,208 deaths involving Covid-19 had been registered in Scotland up to 2 August, while 855 deaths had occurred in Northern Ireland up to 31 July according to the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency.

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 08:46 AM

Greece announced further measures intended to curb a recent spike in infections. Visitors from Spain, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic will have to show proof they have tested negative for the virus before entering the country. It also announced a night curfew on bars and restaurants in major tourist destinations such as Crete, Santorini and Rhodes. The health minister said infections were "rising dangerously"

Spain, one of the early global hotspots of the pandemic, reported a sharp rise of more than 1,400 infections in 24 hours. It also recorded 73 deaths since Friday - its biggest increase in months.

In Germany, a survey by the Bild newspaper found that almost 60% of pubs, restaurants and hotels believe they will struggle to survive because of the pandemic.

Elsewhere, Finland said it would introduce mandatory testing and quarantine for travellers from Belgium, the Netherlands and Andorra. "The situation is extremely delicate," a health official said.

Skybird · 08-11-20, 08:58 AM

A study from Vienna shows that only 60& of recovered patients show immunity. Even worse, Sars-Cov-2 seems to show ADE, "anti-body enhancement", where antibodies dock onto vorusses, but just for clumps, do not destroy them, these virusses than use the docked anti-.bodies as free-entrance tickets into other cells, the immunological reaction of the body helps to spread the virus and supports it. Also, further support was found for the recent observation that mild forms of the disease do not provide strong and longer lasting immunity - the bad news is that tough forms of the disease have a chance to form stronger, longer lasting immunity - but only a chance, certain it is not: the 60% applies to these as well.

I feared that already: the idea that some cynics still hold, that we could form herd immunity by letting large parts of the population suffer from ifneciton and hoping that most will survive somehow and only have mild form, is a theory that imo can no longer be suppoorted at all. It alkways was cyncial speculation, and now at the latest is just irresponsible bodily harm.

August · 08-11-20, 09:35 AM

Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial *
Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020)

Many countries either adopted or declined early treatment with HCQ, forming a large country-randomized controlled trial with 2.0 billion people in the treatment group and 663 million in the control group. As of August 10, 2020, an average of 41.4/million in the treatment group have died, and 446.9/million in the control group, relative risk 0.093. After adjustments, treatment and control deaths become 85.8/million and 644.0/million, relative risk 0.13. Confounding factors affect this estimate, including varying degrees of spread between countries. Accounting for predicted changes in spread, we estimate a relative risk of 0.21. The treatment group has a 78.9% lower death rate. We examined diabetes, obesity, hypertension, life expectancy, population density, urbanization, testing level, and intervention level, which do not account for the effect observed.

https://hcqtrial.com/

Mr Quatro · 08-11-20, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The same goes for Putin if this is a lie or baseless propaganda.

I don't think so ... Putin would not like to be laughed at for sure

em2nought · 08-11-20, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial *
Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020)

Many countries either adopted or declined early treatment with HCQ, forming a large country-randomized controlled trial with 2.0 billion people in the treatment group and 663 million in the control group. As of August 10, 2020, an average of 41.4/million in the treatment group have died, and 446.9/million in the control group, relative risk 0.093. After adjustments, treatment and control deaths become 85.8/million and 644.0/million, relative risk 0.13. Confounding factors affect this estimate, including varying degrees of spread between countries. Accounting for predicted changes in spread, we estimate a relative risk of 0.21. The treatment group has a 78.9% lower death rate. We examined diabetes, obesity, hypertension, life expectancy, population density, urbanization, testing level, and intervention level, which do not account for the effect observed.

https://hcqtrial.com/

Well what do you know.

Never to see the light of day in the mainstream media.

skidman · 08-11-20, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by August

https://hcqtrial.com/

HCQTrial.com: Astroturf and disinformation about hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19 on steroids

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hcq...9-on-steroids/

Dowly · 08-11-20, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial *
Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020)

Yeah, no. It's not a published study, nor is it peer reviewed and unless they had access to patient information from all those people, they have absolutely no knowledge of their treatment; what other drugs they might have been treated with for example. Which also means it's not a controlled trial as they claim.

Absolute nonsense.

EDIT: From Skidman's link:

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There are so many things wrong with this “study” that it’s hard to keep track of them all:

It’s not a randomized controlled trial by any stretch of the imagination
It’s an observational ecological study (sort of) prone to the ecological fallacy
Confounders are not properly controlled for, particularly mask wearing and lockdowns
It’s not peer-reviewed
Its sample size is 36, not 2.7 billion
It is not known why only 36 countries were selected, and why these 36, which reeks of cherry picking
It misreports the results of at least one study, if not several
It doesn’t actually determine how much hydroxychloroquine was actually used in the “HCQ countries” or whether and how much it was used in some of the “non-HCQ countries”
It does not define what it means by “early” versus “late” treatment

I could go on and on and on, but I’m already tired. Suffice to say that this is an utterly worthless “study” whose “results” are utterly meaningless.

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I don't think so ... Putin would not like to be laughed at for sure

I hope your correct but we should know not too far into the future.

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 12:59 PM

Jimbuna · 08-11-20, 01:01 PM

08-11-20, 05:41 AM	#4606
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Russia claims to have a vaccine ready. Putin said a first vaccination campaign in high risk populations like teachers, hospital staff and the likes, shall start in early Octobre. The WHO as always has nothing but hesitation and concerns, warning of that it is none of its own vaccine candidates. But Russia insists they did phase III trials. Putin said he let one if his daughters get vaccinated already. He also said the vaccination provides lasting immunization. The latter remains to be seen. But it would be an embrassment for the WHO and the other research projects, if the Russians do not just claim some propaganda, but are telling the truth. Thats the problem with the WHO. They have done so much nonsense and have claimed so much useless staff and wasted so much time that by now nobody serious believes them anything anymore and they have no authority left that gives their warnings any weight. We will need to wait and see what happens in Russia. If the Russian claims are true, we will see it. If they are wrong, we will see that as well. Both is just a question of time. I form no opinion of it right now, but delay that to a later time. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-11-20 at 06:02 AM.

08-11-20, 05:53 AM	#4607
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,284 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Let's hope they are right. Go Russia! __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

08-11-20, 08:40 AM	#4609
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Auckland is back in lockdown after New Zealand detects its first locally transmitted coronavirus cases in more than 100 days. Russia says it has registered the world's first vaccine - but has not released any safety or immunity data. The UK records its biggest quarterly drop in employment since 2009, as the pandemic hits the jobs market. Scottish students return to classrooms for the first time since March. There have been more than 20m cases of Covid-19 around the world, and 736,000 deaths. More than 5m of those cases are in the US, with 3m in Brazil and 2m in India. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-11-20, 08:44 AM	#4610
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	New figures show 56,842 deaths where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate have been registered in the UK. In England and Wales, 51,779 deaths involving the virus had occurred up to 31 July, according to the Office for National Statistics figures. A total of 8,946 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the last week of July, according to the ONS - 90 fewer than the five-year average of 9,036. This is the seventh week in a row that deaths have been below the five-year average. Of the deaths registered in the week to 31 July, 193 mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate - the lowest number of deaths involving Covid-19 since the week ending March 20 (103 deaths). The National Records for Scotland reported 4,208 deaths involving Covid-19 had been registered in Scotland up to 2 August, while 855 deaths had occurred in Northern Ireland up to 31 July according to the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-11-20, 08:46 AM	#4611
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Greece announced further measures intended to curb a recent spike in infections. Visitors from Spain, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic will have to show proof they have tested negative for the virus before entering the country. It also announced a night curfew on bars and restaurants in major tourist destinations such as Crete, Santorini and Rhodes. The health minister said infections were "rising dangerously" Spain, one of the early global hotspots of the pandemic, reported a sharp rise of more than 1,400 infections in 24 hours. It also recorded 73 deaths since Friday - its biggest increase in months. In Germany, a survey by the Bild newspaper found that almost 60% of pubs, restaurants and hotels believe they will struggle to survive because of the pandemic. Elsewhere, Finland said it would introduce mandatory testing and quarantine for travellers from Belgium, the Netherlands and Andorra. "The situation is extremely delicate," a health official said. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-11-20, 08:58 AM	#4612
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	A study from Vienna shows that only 60& of recovered patients show immunity. Even worse, Sars-Cov-2 seems to show ADE, "anti-body enhancement", where antibodies dock onto vorusses, but just for clumps, do not destroy them, these virusses than use the docked anti-.bodies as free-entrance tickets into other cells, the immunological reaction of the body helps to spread the virus and supports it. Also, further support was found for the recent observation that mild forms of the disease do not provide strong and longer lasting immunity - the bad news is that tough forms of the disease have a chance to form stronger, longer lasting immunity - but only a chance, certain it is not: the 60% applies to these as well. I feared that already: the idea that some cynics still hold, that we could form herd immunity by letting large parts of the population suffer from ifneciton and hoping that most will survive somehow and only have mild form, is a theory that imo can no longer be suppoorted at all. It alkways was cyncial speculation, and now at the latest is just irresponsible bodily harm. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-11-20, 09:35 AM	#4613
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-randomized controlled trial * Covid Analysis, August 5, 2020 (updated August 10, 2020) Many countries either adopted or declined early treatment with HCQ, forming a large country-randomized controlled trial with 2.0 billion people in the treatment group and 663 million in the control group. As of August 10, 2020, an average of 41.4/million in the treatment group have died, and 446.9/million in the control group, relative risk 0.093. After adjustments, treatment and control deaths become 85.8/million and 644.0/million, relative risk 0.13. Confounding factors affect this estimate, including varying degrees of spread between countries. Accounting for predicted changes in spread, we estimate a relative risk of 0.21. The treatment group has a 78.9% lower death rate. We examined diabetes, obesity, hypertension, life expectancy, population density, urbanization, testing level, and intervention level, which do not account for the effect observed. https://hcqtrial.com/ __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

08-11-20, 12:59 PM	#4619
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08-11-20, 01:01 PM	#4620
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