K-19: The Widowmaker

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Can you prove the americans acctually cut the K219 tow lines?

Me no, the guys in the whale boat that almost got run over (err under?) by the US SSN could. Maybe the crew on both ships is lying when they said they saw the scope from a sub going twoards the tow line but if I had such a valuable source of intel sitting a few hundred miles off my shore I woundn't just let it slip away, not if I have a deniable way of keeping her stuck there.

K129 was an ederly golf class submarine it ment nothing to the russians bear in mind they already had hotels and were very rapidly progressing on the yankees, they wouldnt have cared the tech sitting in that dinosaur well wasnt worth the metal it was made from.

Golf II Kap, she was old but fully updated with new tech and quite relyable compared to the Hotels. Don't forget the Cypher system aboard the K129 was top of the line. Plus any intel on the Soviet navy was valuable since the USSR was a closed socitiy.

Whats more alot of people get confused about the K219, a US Submarine collided with a Delta I a day before K219 got into trouble thats where the confusion lies alot of people say a american sub collided with 219, but there was no evedence of a colision can you see any marks on the hull from any picture?

Well I'm not confused but for arguments sake if the rudder struck the missile deck it could have punctured the silo leaving only slight damage that vanished when the silo exploded but I find that very unlikely.

[Kapitan]

Points taken into condsideration there TLAM i can see where your coming from and yes i agree with some points bar the one about the periscope.

If the ship is towing the submarine that would make the line very taught and if the periscope was to try and slice through the rope it would be like a cheese wire going threw cheese so the periscope would be ripped off would that sound right?

I can understand that a rudder strike could damage the outer layer of the hull but i dont think it would be enough to create that much damage if it was the rudder that hit the yankee the rudder would be seriously damaged.

But i dont know i going to look into K219 a bit more i havnt really studied that submarine in detail greatly.

[Lafferty]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Can you prove the americans acctually cut the K219 tow lines?

Whats more the vessel towing K219 was a frieghter she wasnt built for ocean towing nor were the lines she was using, they were for docking the ship.

The reason the K129 was hushed up was because the soviets denyed the existance of the submarine and just sent letters to the familys saying "your son / father / brother has dissapeard without a trace"

The russians acctually said to the americans if you would drop the K129 story so would we.

K129 was an ederly golf class submarine it ment nothing to the russians bear in mind they already had hotels and were very rapidly progressing on the yankees, they wouldnt have cared the tech sitting in that dinosaur well wasnt worth the metal it was made from.

Whats more alot of people get confused about the K219, a US Submarine collided with a Delta I a day before K219 got into trouble thats where the confusion lies alot of people say a american sub collided with 219, but there was no evedence of a colision can you see any marks on the hull from any picture?

The silos of yankees and deltas are notourius for letting water in mix it with the liquid fuel you get a big bang this is what happend to K219.

How she sank no one knows its something Captain Igor Britanov will take to his grave. maybe she was scuttled or maybe she sank f her own occord.

Dang i guess they wanted to cut it short and sweet for the families

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Points taken into condsideration there TLAM i can see where your coming from and yes i agree with some points bar the one about the periscope.

If the ship is towing the submarine that would make the line very taught and if the periscope was to try and slice through the rope it would be like a cheese wire going threw cheese so the periscope would be ripped off would that sound right?

I can understand that a rudder strike could damage the outer layer of the hull but i dont think it would be enough to create that much damage if it was the rudder that hit the yankee the rudder would be seriously damaged.

But i dont know i going to look into K219 a bit more i havnt really studied that submarine in detail greatly.

It claimed that it wasn't the scope but the knucle in the water when the US SSN sharply dived under the slack cable that cut it.

As for the rudder being seriously damaged who but the crew of the sub would know? its on below the waterline and thus unseen. :hmm:

[Lafferty]

thats really weird.