US Politics Thread 2021-24

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

You can believe in dogs too. They have little or no capacity for guile.

Plus, they are mans best friend after all. Truly.

[Catfish]

When feelings are so strong they become facts, i have no idea how to get someone back who is so far out. Not with facts anyway.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So, can we then agree that the WSJ news media opinion piece you posted was just entertainment?

Absolutely. The paper the opinion piece was based upon, that's a different story.

On first and 2nd read through, the bayesian analysis looks pretty solid.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by August

You can believe in dogs too. They have little or no capacity for guile.

I recently read that dogs can sense when someone is lying.

Don't know how true it is, but every time I go to give our pup her monthly heartworm meds, no matter what ruse; whatever cunning attempt to deceive her, she knows and runs and hides.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

When feelings are so strong they become facts, i have no idea how to get someone back who is so far out. Not with facts anyway.

Give him a hug, and keep on hugging him. Let him know how deep your love for him is. He sooner or later collapses due to exhaustion from carrying you around his neck. Then you can drag him back home by the feet.

[Skybird]

I can only shake my head over this much self-prescribed naivety on the US (and European) side.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...airstrip-texas

[mapuc]

I will tell you that there is a connection between facts and feeling.

Let use me as an example. It was in the end of the 80's I was watching the news where they were broadcasting from UN where a young woman from Kuwait told us how Iraqi soldiers killed newborn children.

With these fact laid in front of me I became very sad.

Later I learned that it was a set-up and I learned my lesson.

So feelings is very much part of what people believe.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I recently read that dogs can sense when someone is lying.

Don't know how true it is, but every time I go to give our pup her monthly heartworm meds, no matter what ruse; whatever cunning attempt to deceive her, she knows and runs and hides.

Because the pup can smell the pill which is probably bitter.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Because the pup can smell the pill which is probably bitter.

Or, just like those two hyper-intelligent, pan-dimensional beings Frankie and Benjy. Your dog could be testing you.

You never know.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Because the pup can smell the pill which is probably bitter.

That would be true - if it weren't for the fact that I haven't even opened it yet when she runs...

Nope - as Rockstar alluded to - the combination of poodle and lab makes her just about as bad as a sailor - cunning and devious and bearing close watching at all times...

She knows *exactly* what she's doing, which always ends with throwing it down her throat and holding her mouth shut while massaging her throat - while she makes a big production of hacking and gagging as if we're trying to poison her. Followed by scarfing down the turkey lunch meat, or pepperoni or cheese or peanut butter we've tried to hide it in...

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I will tell you that there is a connection between facts and feeling.

Let use me as an example. It was in the end of the 80's I was watching the news where they were broadcasting from UN where a young woman from Kuwait told us how Iraqi soldiers killed newborn children.

With these fact laid in front of me I became very sad.

Later I learned that it was a set-up and I learned my lesson.

So feelings is very much part of what people believe.

Markus

Unfortunately most people react based upon emotion rather than logic, so it becomes easy to manipulate them. When those with the ability to respond rationally question the basis of a narrative presented as fact, it all too often results in claims of conspiracy or quackery or any of a number of ad hominems.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Absolutely. The paper the opinion piece was based upon, that's a different story.

On first and 2nd read through, the bayesian analysis looks pretty solid.

The paper is very much an opinion piece as well. His evidence and the weight he gives each is completely arbitrary.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Unfortunately most people react based upon emotion rather than logic, so it becomes easy to manipulate them. When those with the ability to respond rationally question the basis of a narrative presented as fact, it all too often results in claims of conspiracy or quackery or any of a number of ad hominems.

So what about this bullcrap from Clyde. I don't see how he can say that and keep a straight face.

[MaDef]

Having seen what happened in Seattle, Portland, Denver, LA, New York, Milwaukee and Minneapolis last summer (just to name a few of the larger "protests") with the outspoken support of some very prominent politicians. And now to watch those same politicians call the protest on Jan 6th an "insurrection" leaves me non-pulsed as to what those jackasses in DC are doing.

[Catfish]

^ I take it the protests against police brutality (killing of Floyd) were not intended to overthrow the government or to kill anyone, let alone the (then) vice president Pence?

"[in 2020] Racial unrest, Polls have estimated that between 15 million and 26 million people have participated at some point in the demonstrations in the United States, making them the largest protests in United States history.

It was also estimated that between May 26 and August 22, around 93% of protests were "peaceful and nondestructive". According to several studies and analyses, protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful.

In protests that involved violence, violence was variously instigated by protesters, counter-protesters, or police, and police sometimes escalated confrontations."