[WIP] Fairmile B Motor Launch

kapuhy · 09-08-19, 04:40 PM

Just tested her with standard DC rack. The "avoiding collision" problem was very visible in shallow waters (sub at periscope depth), Fairmiles were circling the sub but never going directly over it, which caused them to miss. In deeper water with submarine on 80 meters, they were making runs directly over the sub and were able to hit it.

Jeff-Groves · 09-08-19, 05:32 PM

Since you stated you do not have a proper zon file?
I'm not surprised.

gap · 09-08-19, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kapuhy

Just tested her with standard DC rack. The "avoiding collision" problem was very visible in shallow waters (sub at periscope depth), Fairmiles were circling the sub but never going directly over it, which caused them to miss.

That's exactly what I was talking about

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Originally Posted by kapuhy

In deeper water with submarine on 80 meters, they were making runs directly over the sub and were able to hit it.

Okay, good finding

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Since you stated you do not have a proper zon file?
I'm not surprised.

Hi Jeff, glad to see you around!

Answering your comment, I am afraid that in the case we are discussing zon file settings have only a minor relevance: I remember having read reports of same AI behaviour shown by PT boats and other small ASW vessels in SHIII or SHIV, and I don't think those units had bad collision settings

Jeff-Groves · 09-08-19, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gap

Hi Jeff, glad to see you around!

Answering your comment, I am afraid that in the case we are discussing zon file settings have only a minor relevance: I remember having read reports of same AI behaviour shown by PT boats and other small ASW vessels in SHIII or SHIV, and I don't think those units had bad collision settings

One may tend to believe reports as posted. I'd prefer to see the exact Units involved in said reports.
As I recall? One of the ASW trawlers in GWX 3 is considered the deadliest ever turned loose.

In fact? I had to tone it down as it would blow itself up at times!

And I am always watching the forums here. I may not log in but I'm here.

Jeff-Groves · 09-08-19, 07:01 PM

As always I intend no disrespect.
But I'd like to see all files involved. Including the Y gun files.
Yeah I could down load everything but I'm not into going that far.

gap · 09-09-19, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

One may tend to believe reports as posted. I'd prefer to see the exact Units involved in said reports.

Sure enough blunders by other modders are to be taken into account but, even in the worst case, their reports contain useful clues that I often learned from. That said, by no means reading the forum replaces direct experience and, most importantly, one failing to do something doesn't necessarily prevent someone else from succeeding in the same task.

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

As I recall? One of the ASW trawlers in GWX 3 is considered the deadliest ever turned loose.

In fact? I had to tone it down as it would blow itself up at times!

No surprise about that. If memory serves me well what matters for AI's collision avoidance routines is unit's mass as declared in its sim file. An ASW trawler is a fatter badass than a PT boat or a motor lauch, though a careful placement of collision spheres around smaller units might help mitigating their overcautious attitude toward collisions.

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

And I am always watching the forums here. I may not log in but I'm here.

So do I, though at time I am too busy to reply.

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

As always I intend no disrespect.

No offense taken of course. Your terse wisdom will always be appreciated with me

kapuhy · 09-10-19, 03:07 AM

Hi guys,

I remade zon file yesterday, but I'm not yet satisfied with the results - the ship takes too long to sink for its size so I'll be tweaking the zon file until I get a good looking result.

In the meantime, I uploaded SH4 and SH3 Y-gun files to my Google Drive in case you'd like to take a look. Y-guns in TWoS are part of files containing other asw weapons as well. Themselves, they are not used by any ship except Japanese sub chaser, which is configured to use SH3 Y-gun but, like on my ship, weapon doesn't appear on deck.

K-guns and DC racks contained in these same files work without problem and are used by multiple ships.

Link below:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1za...V5UV7n3goizg3t

09-08-19, 05:32 PM	#2
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Since you stated you do not have a proper zon file? I'm not surprised. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

09-08-19, 07:01 PM	#5
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	As always I intend no disrespect. But I'd like to see all files involved. Including the Y gun files. Yeah I could down load everything but I'm not into going that far. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

09-08-19, 04:40 PM	#1
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 873 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Just tested her with standard DC rack. The "avoiding collision" problem was very visible in shallow waters (sub at periscope depth), Fairmiles were circling the sub but never going directly over it, which caused them to miss. In deeper water with submarine on 80 meters, they were making runs directly over the sub and were able to hit it.

09-10-19, 03:07 AM	#7
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 873 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Hi guys, I remade zon file yesterday, but I'm not yet satisfied with the results - the ship takes too long to sink for its size so I'll be tweaking the zon file until I get a good looking result. In the meantime, I uploaded SH4 and SH3 Y-gun files to my Google Drive in case you'd like to take a look. Y-guns in TWoS are part of files containing other asw weapons as well. Themselves, they are not used by any ship except Japanese sub chaser, which is configured to use SH3 Y-gun but, like on my ship, weapon doesn't appear on deck. K-guns and DC racks contained in these same files work without problem and are used by multiple ships. Link below: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1za...V5UV7n3goizg3t