UK Politics Thread

[Catfish]

^ I wonder what hurricane Boris will be like, in Beaufort..

[STEED]

I hear the nameless one is sitting on the fence so no change there.

Who is watching the supreme court case anyone? Everyone I know is sick and tired not able to tune into the news for news as this junk is dominating the agenda. I'm bloody sick of this garbage being milked by the BBC News and SKY. I'm not bloody watching RT sod that.

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That's right Markus, anyone wanting to leave the Union can only do so if conducting it through a referendum and the PM/Westminster is the one who must first give permission.

Are You sure? Is a referendum on a united Ireland only possible by permission of the UK?

The Good Friday Agreement says:

CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES
1. The participants endorse the commitment made by the British and Irish Governments that, in a new British-Irish Agreement replacing the Anglo-Irish Agreement, they will:
(i) recognise the legitimacy of whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland with regard to its status, whether they prefer to continue to support the Union with Great Britain or a sovereign united Ireland;
(ii) recognise that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland;

[mapuc]

^ If I understand those fine words

The government in Northern Ireland can make a referendum and they don't have to ask London ?

Markus

[skidman]

I don't know Markus. But if the GFA puts the people of NI in a position that lets them control a possible unification process, the dependency on a permission by Westminster would render the whole agreement pointless.

The population shift towards a catholic majority in NI, the economic figures of NI compared to the republic and the missing subsidiary EU money after the Brexit has taken place will fuel the debate about NI leaving the UK. That's for sure.

[Onkel Neal]

Do we have a Canadian politics thread? Maybe we need one...

Racism up north!

When asked if he thought the photograph was racist, he said, “Yes it was. I didn’t consider it racist at the time, but now we know better.”

Now we know better.

[ikalugin]

North Americans are racialisation of everything heh.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Rather short sighted of Guy, Since the EU is technically an empire too.
And what happens to ALL empires eventually?
Nations on the other hand, tend to survive because they are bound by much more than just their politicians, law makers and bankers.
Take those three things away from the EU and what's left exactly?

I do not see how Verhofstaedt's comment can be so misunderstood. Be careful what happens when a single country that is not America or China negotiates with the world's other trade 'empires'. It was probably unwise to call them 'empires', but he meant China, the US and Russia, not Europe. He just stated that it is easier to negotiate as a united bloc with those trade 'empires'.
But it is perfectly clear what he meant, and he is of course right.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Racism up north!
[...] Now we know better.

Oh yes... maybe it would be better for all Africans to paint themselves white, so there can be no discrimination.. oh wait ... i guess it is better if all humans paint themselves blue!

(Next: The light blues in front of the bus, the dark blues...)

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I do not see how Verhofstaedt's comment can be so misunderstood. Be careful what happens when a single country that is not America or China negotiates with the world's other trade 'empires'. It was probably unwise to call them 'empires', but he meant China, the US and Russia, not Europe. He just stated that it is easier to negotiate as a united bloc with those trade 'empires'.
But it is perfectly clear what he meant, and he is of course right.

Hmm And I don't know how the EU project and its objectives can be so misunderstood (when they are so clearly laid out). the EU as mere trading bloc was only the very first stage of its existence. Few have any real problem with that part of it.

Definition of empire (Entry 1 of 2)
1a(1): a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority
especially : one having an emperor as chief of state





Its very simple, Empires/Institutions/Unions/call them what you will) which plan for virtually unlimited expansion (like the EU) All go 'pop' an some point.
Ill say again, Nations have only survive because they are held together by language, culture and history - Not by lawmakers, politicians and economics. The EU only has the latter 3 to prop it up.

[ikalugin]

US, Russia, China and India are still there, though we did shrink some ways in the past three decades.

And this is his point I think - he seems to desire to form EU into a proper sovereign (con?)federative state out of nation-states of Europe, not just an alliance or trade block.

[JU_88]

That is their desire eventually. Though i doubt it will ever be fully realised. Far too ambitious and too many obsticals.
..... And thank god for that, because it would be terrible system of government.

If the Eu was a games publisher it would be EA.

[Jimbuna]

Boris Johnson has 12 days to set out his Brexit plans to the EU, according to Finland's prime minister.

Antti Rinne said he and French President Emmanuel Macron agreed the UK needed to produce the proposals in writing by the end of September, adding if not, "then it's over".

Finland currently holds the EU's rotating presidency.

A Downing Street source said: "We will continue negotiating and put forward proposals at the appropriate time."

Mr Johnson has said a deal is possible at a crucial summit of EU leaders on 17 October, but he has insisted Brexit will happen by the 31 October deadline, even if a deal is not agreed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49749465

Not long to go then.

Boris needs to put up or shut up.

I'm still of the opinion we will not leave but like so many others I am also sick and tired of this whole mess.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not long to go then.

Boris needs to put up or shut up.

I'm still of the opinion we will not leave but like so many others I am also sick and tired of this whole mess.

Welcome to the club jim you will find beer and doughnuts on the table and a punch bag for the stress, later on today to calm you there will be a selection of comedy shows.


Just in....

Psycho Dominick has told the Finland's PM to BLEEP OFF.

[STEED]

David Cameron asked the Queen for help in heading off Scottish independence after a poll before the 2014 referendum suggested a lead for those wanting to leave the union.

https://news.sky.com/story/david-cam...dence-11813572

Are yes I recall the mad dash back to Scotland to prevent Scottish independence. This will give the old fish wife ammo. Doggy Dave you do realise what you have done by telling the world don't you. Conversations between the PM and the Queen are strictly private.