US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[yubba]

[QUOTE=Oberon;2464089]They sure were:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benton_Harbor_riots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigford_v._Glickman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ches#1991-2000[/QUOTE}

And how many Africans did the Brits slaughter I don't remember us being involve ,,and Obama sure sent that Bust of Churchill back to you didn't he

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Neuerburg

I hear ya, that's why aside from the odd post every now and then I just prefer to sit back and just watch what's going on it's more fun that way.

Just remember there is always this .

I don't really have a reply, but I want you to know that I am not ignoring you and I appreciate the effort to try and cheer. There's just really nothing that's going to do that right now.

Chaplin was of course eventually barred from the United States for having political opinions that the ruling elite didn't approve of. He had this to say about it:

Whether I re-entered that unhappy country or not was of little consequence to me. I would like to have told them that the sooner I was rid of that hate-beleaguered atmosphere the better, that I was fed up of America's insults and moral pomposity...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charli...st_accusations

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I don't really have a reply, but I want you to know that I am not ignoring you and I appreciate the effort to try and cheer. There's just really nothing that's going to do that right now.

It's cool, just try to take easy if you can Tak.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Chaplin was of course eventually barred from the United States for having political opinions that the ruling elite didn't approve of. He had this to say about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charli...st_accusations

Yeah I know about it, it's all because Chaplin said that the Soviets where great because at that time they where the only ones really fighting back against the Nazis and McCarthy didn't like that one bit. Then again Chaplin once said, "I remain just one thing, and one thing only, and that is a clown. It places me on a far higher plane then any politician."

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

It's nice of you to say, and I apologize for crying on your shoulder. I am angry, and I know exactly where that anger comes from -- fear. My wife and I are scared all the time. What if we were to lose them? What would we do? How do you go on from that?

We don't let on to the girls, but kids are smart. They know when something isn't right. I vacated my position at the university so that I could be home with them all the time. I drop them off at school. I pick them. Up. Christ, I get there an hour ahead of time so that I am first in line. She calls home every hour. "Are they okay?" "Did the school call?" They don't go to friends houses. They never go outside alone, and they stay inside as much as possible. And daddy and mommy look so tired all the time. They know we don't sleep.

It breaks you Jamie. It crushes you down until there's nothing left but hate, and you're on SubSim at 11:15 pm alternating between outright hostility and gushing about despair. And my wife is right here next to me, watching reruns of Wings and trying not to cry. Our life is hell. We've got each other and that's it.

No-one should have to go through that Tak, and for such a simple thing, for helping in the community. No, it's an ugly thing that has awoken from slumber and I'm glad you're getting away from it. I won't pretend that Australia is free from problems but it seems to have its head on straighter than many at the moment, certainly better than the rest of the western world.
I don't know where things are going in the western world right now, I see the rise of far-right groups, who, if you had said twenty years ago they would be so close to power you'd have been laughed off the fledgling internet. It seems that in times of economic crisis we once again fall into the same old traps that our predecessors walked into, the sirens call of the men and women who say "We can fix this, it's all their fault."
History may not repeat, but it sure as hell does rhyme, as the saying goes.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

And how many Africans did the Brits slaughter I don't remember us being involve ,,and Obama sure sent that Bust of Churchill back to you didn't he

And what does that have to do with the price of fish?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by yubba

then you shouldn't have had that Trump sign in your yard,, what did the democrat run police department say about it..

Originally Posted by yubba

and here you go insulting me,, as usual because you can't keep up,, sounds like some of the democrat Hitler youth has a problem with you in a democrat town in a democrat state make scense to me

Okay, you're truly starting to sound like a troll here. Whether the people responsible for Takeda's problems are Conservative, Liberal, or anything else is irrelevant. He is undergoing some serious problems, and you're trying to blame it on him. This is less of what I was defending earlier and getting more personal.

Originally Posted by yubba

and what colours would that be, oh that would be red white and blue which is extended to all that choose too obey the law of the land, you just can't admit this is all on you ,, Trump is a result of you and your liberal pc bs ,, libs have turn states and cities into third world war zones why is that..

This needs to stop. You're once again trying to blame everything on "the other side". I tried to explain to you that hate knows no sides, but you keep sticking to your single track.

Originally Posted by yubba

You're right Steve I'm not interested in having a honest discussion with race baiters,, and folk that think marxism is the way to go,, or folks that throw wild statements out there just to see if they stick, and will insult you at a drop of a hat because you don't agree with their opinion, I believe in and follow the Constitution,and the rule of law that some of you can't or refuse to grasp, what charter do you follow ???

You apparently missed the point altogether, or else chose to ignore it. The point was that you don't seem to be interested in having an honest discussion with anyone, ever. As I said at the beginning of this post, your posts are starting to sound more and more like trolling, and that will not be tolerated.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by yubba

and what colours would that be, oh that would be red white and blue which is extended to all that choose too obey the law of the land, you just can't admit this is all on you ,, Trump is a result of you and your liberal pc bs ,, libs have turn states and cities into third world war zones why is that..

All on me. Yes, of course, I see it now. It's funny then that I don't consider myself all that left in my thinking, that I haven't spoken out against Trumps actions as President yet(I think), that I consider the protests against Donald Trump misdirected energy, that I think the anarchists that turn too many of these popular protests into debacles should be punished. Yet I'm to blame because I challenge your thinking.

One of the most peculiar things about all this is how you apply the same negative labels to the Democrats/liberals that I've always associated with Republicans/far right.

[Catfish]

^ That's the new deal, all negative is being placed on "the left". Even the most classic far-right with racial tendencies and "Uebermensch" attitude like the NSDAP are now "left", last time over at another forum we all know, the Ku-Klux-Klan was "left". No joke.
If a right-wing politician does something bad, he is may be "right-wing", but he must be doing something "leftist".

Black has become white, and the moon is made of green cheese. You cannot really stand up against it, because the accusations and deceptions are so completely out of bounds that any reasonable try to counter that is doomed. Lying or "alternative facts" are the new standard, and there is no need for proof.
Who cries loudest ist the "winner" now. Mrs May almost seems backwards and old-school with her Thatcher-rhetorics, compared to Trump.

[Jimbuna]

Suffice to say I've been monitoring events on this thread since its inception and even more so over recent days.

So, if I may and in bite-size chunks.....

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

It's nice of you to say, and I apologize for crying on your shoulder. I am angry, and I know exactly where that anger comes from -- fear. My wife and I are scared all the time. What if we were to lose them? What would we do? How do you go on from that?

We don't let on to the girls, but kids are smart. They know when something isn't right. I vacated my position at the university so that I could be home with them all the time. I drop them off at school. I pick them. Up. Christ, I get there an hour ahead of time so that I am first in line. She calls home every hour. "Are they okay?" "Did the school call?" They don't go to friends houses. They never go outside alone, and they stay inside as much as possible. And daddy and mommy look so tired all the time. They know we don't sleep.

It breaks you Jamie. It crushes you down until there's nothing left but hate, and you're on SubSim at 11:15 pm alternating between outright hostility and gushing about despair. And my wife is right here next to me, watching reruns of Wings and trying not to cry. Our life is hell. We've got each other and that's it.

It grieves me to learn of the above Tom and I'd like you to know that there is a part of me regretting the fact I'm not able to be at your side to deal with these real life events which are totally inexcusable in any way shape or form. Dealing with such disgusting behaviour used to be my bread and butter and as a younger man, with the right training and support I readily admit I enjoyed dealing with the challenges as they presented themselves.

I wish you and your family every success and happiness in your future surroundings. I have relatives in Perth and they lead me to believe it is a wonderful place to plant your roots.

Originally Posted by Oberon

No-one should have to go through that Tak, and for such a simple thing, for helping in the community. No, it's an ugly thing that has awoken from slumber and I'm glad you're getting away from it. I won't pretend that Australia is free from problems but it seems to have its head on straighter than many at the moment, certainly better than the rest of the western world.
I don't know where things are going in the western world right now, I see the rise of far-right groups, who, if you had said twenty years ago they would be so close to power you'd have been laughed off the fledgling internet. It seems that in times of economic crisis we once again fall into the same old traps that our predecessors walked into, the sirens call of the men and women who say "We can fix this, it's all their fault."
History may not repeat, but it sure as hell does rhyme, as the saying goes.

Well said Jamie and knowing you personally as I do, I know how sincere you are in writing the above.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Okay, you're truly starting to sound like a troll here. Whether the people responsible for Takeda's problems are Conservative, Liberal, or anything else is irrelevant. He is undergoing some serious problems, and you're trying to blame it on him. This is less of what I was defending earlier and getting more personal.


This needs to stop. You're once again trying to blame everything on "the other side". I tried to explain to you that hate knows no sides, but you keep sticking to your single track.


You apparently missed the point altogether, or else chose to ignore it. The point was that you don't seem to be interested in having an honest discussion with anyone, ever. As I said at the beginning of this post, your posts are starting to sound more and more like trolling, and that will not be tolerated.

Yubba, read the above (from Steve in particular) very carefully Sir.

Now I suggest you read this...

May be they'll talk about this,,,

Management Notification: Don't try my better side anymore, I'm done with the warnings.
Last edited by Jimbuna; 02-01-2017 at 12:08 AM. Reason: No more and that is the final warning.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...91&postcount=4

Should you choose to ignore, the choice is yours but don't ever say you weren't forewarned of the potential consequences.

[vienna]

@Takeda:

I am deeply saddened to read what you and your family have endured and I do not fault your decision to leave. Someone who would seek, on their own, to assist those being bullied by thugs, deserves not to be treated as your family has been. Over the years, decades, I have known more than a few persons who have dealt with similar situations and have seen more than a few make the same decision. No one should have to put up with such offensive and potentially dangerous behavior. For the sake of your family, I hope your remaining time here is uneventful and safe...

It is a sad situation when highly talented and skilled individuals in fields in which this nation is experiencing a growing deficiency find it necessary to go abroad rather than face such outrages. It is also a sad situation when many of the highly talented and skilled individuals who would like to come here and share their very much needed talents are finding the path obstructed more and more by mindless political idiots who have little or nothing of their own highly dubious talents to contribute. I live in Los Angeles and there are two very large, prestigious universities (UCLA & USC), several smaller but very influential colleges, a major technical university, the California institute of Technology (home of the Jet Propulsion Lab), and a burgeoning tech business starting to rival the Silicon Valley (with typical So. Cal style, the tech sector has been dubbed "Silicon Beach"). There are also several major medical centers here that are pioneering new treatment methods and medications and are at the forefronts of their research fields. And you know what I've observed over the years? An ever increasing number of the persons attending those universities and colleges, doing the research and development work at CalTech and JPL, and making the breakthroughs at those medical centers come from India, Pakistan, the Mideast, and, more recently, Asia, specifically China. When you walk through those facilities, you will see a very high percentage of the working population at those sites are not Caucasian, and, if you look at the directories of those institutions, you will see a very large number of 'non-American' names in highly responsible positions, positions they earned and usually earned having to "swim upstream"...

About 30 or so years ago, I was part of a project to update and upgrade the class registration system at one of the two major universities in LA. As part of the process, some of us actually worked the registration desks so as to be able to find and, if possible, correct on the spot any bugs that might crop up. After the first day, I commented to one of the university officials about the very high percentage of foreign students who had majors in and were registering for classes in highly technical and scientific fields and a correspondingly high percentage of US born students with majors and registrations in fields in non-technical fields, with a very large portion of that group going for MBAs. The official said the trend had been going on for some time and there was a possibility of there soon being far fewer US graduates in the sciences than foreign-born graduates. Now, decades later, the possibility has pretty much been proven as fact. The reality is if it were not for those who came from abroad, often paying very high prices both financially and personally, and who applied themselves to those fields while US student were following the "Gordon Gekko" path, medicine, technology, and the underlying educational structure for the sciences would be in a very sad state indeed. If the US is at all a major power in the sciences and technical education, it is because those people were welcomed in; it is because, even after they got their degrees, they opted to stay here and continue to contribute; and it is because some of the best and the brightest in their fields, educated in some of the finest universities and colleges abroad also chose to come here and contribute. Yet, for some people, all they see is "foreigners", not like "us", not "real Americans". Well, fine, then let's send them all packing, all the foreigner doctors, and scientists, and professors, and creators and developers of new tech; then, when the dust settles and the US finds itself having to play catch up with the rest of the world, watching as other nations who were not so 'picky' about the origins of those who just wanted to pursue their fields, maybe, then , the "wisdom" of our leaders won't seem so "wise". After all, if it weren't for some other nations in the past deciding it was a good idea to get rid of all those pesky academics and scientists who questioned their governments or just didn't fit in with the "real citizens" of their lands, the US wouldn't have had all those foreigners like Einstein, Fermi, and the Fanos. That whole idea of forcing out the "undesirables" worked out real well for those nations, didn't it?...

So what is is the scorecard in this situation? A cardiologist (a field where the US shortage is critical) and a respected academic versus a larger number of brainless, thick, thugs who make no noteworthy or beneficial contribution to our nation: it must be golf because the winning point is 2 and Australia and not the US is the winner. At least Trump will have a few more voters for his most-likely-never-to-happen reelection...

Here is an interesting list of refugees whose home nations thought it was a good idea to force out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_refugees

And, just to show there is still hope for those of us who remain, this:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2964639

One person stands up, others stand with them; maybe we can eventually erase more than graffiti...



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[Skybird]

Takeda,

ignoring for a moment past battles and differences that we had, I ask for curiosity - and curiosity alone - what is your ethnic background? Or where did you originally come from when moving to the US?

You can and will accuse me of a lot of things I guess, but that I have condemned or attacked people due to their skin colour, ever, you can hardly claim. I am just wondering, when getting your tales here, and so I ask you. Curiosity.

[Catfish]

Some very good posts here.
Tak i already thought i should have written something, when you wrote so much posts ago that you were heading for Australia, because of your family being threatened by – obviously racist – bullies. A lot of others here wrote much better than i could have, but i still want to say you have my deepest sympathy, i wish you and your family all the best.

Unbelievable and sad, that such things happen in our time, and in the western world. It is not only the USA of course, those thugs are coming out of their hiding everywhere, under the camouflage of "free speech", or "being politically incorrect", or abusing terms like "indepencence", "freedom" and all that. Sadly enough a lot of people fall for this populistic crap.

Now i know all generalizations are wrong, but i think there is indeed still a lot of racist hate (also) in the western world, even if we like to show off with our so-called superiority, or freedom, or neutrality. Maybe racism was there all along and only hid well, until the right man or leader appears.

Sh!t I really don't know what to say, not when you wrote this, nor now. America will be worse off without you.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In order, the pictures are of (1) California wildfires from this past season, (2) the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, (3) the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, and (4) the tornado supercell that ravaged Georgia on January 22nd. That's this year.

Weather is getting worse. You can deny it if you'd like, but the science is against you. I don't expect it to change any minds in the bubble.

California wildfires, I believe set by a human. Katrina, Sandy...worked them both. I have seen and done enough with both to write a book. So far you go me on a super cell last year..just one incident. Does not really prove much for climate change. Again, melting ice caps do point to a problem. There is no doubt humans contribute if not the leading cause of warming.

Never said I did not believe climate change is happening. So back up on that bubble statement and stop assuming. I said polar ice caps melting is a good indicator. Further, throughout history there has been super cells and hurricanes of giant magnitude. Frequency is another thing. The Atlantic is very quiet concerning hurricanes. El Nina and Nino are also drive weather.