Wuhan virus 2020

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

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After an infection with the corona virus or after a vaccination, we form antibodies against the spike protein. SARS-CoV-2 uses this protein to dock on and penetrate the cells. Using the spike protein, the antibodies can recognize the virus, attach it to it and make it visible to the immune cells.
In the case of mRNA vaccines like the one from BioNTech / Pfizer, scientists have so far assumed that vaccinated people are protected against corona to far more than 90 percent . However, this does not apply to the new delta variant of the virus. Compared to the so-called wild type, this variant is much more contagious and is now spreading in many regions around the world.

The Delta variant is especially good at infecting people after the first vaccination. The immunologist Carsten Watzl from the Leibniz Institute at TU Dortmund University estimates that the effectiveness of the BioNTech / Pfizer vaccine falls from 90 percent in the original variant to 88 percent, and that of the Astrazeneca vector vaccine from 66 to 60 percent.

The delta variant is another major challenge for scientists. In the best case scenario, most of us are initially immune to the virus variants known to date after two vaccinations. Carsten Watzl points out that this does not apply to all those who have been vaccinated. "The vaccination alone is no guarantee that you are immune. What matters is that our body has built up adequate immune protection. But we cannot measure that at the moment."
It is different, for example, with a tetanus vaccination. If we don't know whether we still have enough protection, we can test this. The vaccination titre can be determined from the blood in the laboratory. If the number of antibodies is above a certain limit, the person is immune to the tetanus virus. If the titer is too low, the doctor must give a booster vaccination.
"At Corona we are not yet at this level. We do not yet know exactly what we have to measure so that we can really determine whether someone is immune or not. The neutralizing antibodies probably play a decisive role in this. They bind the virus so that it cannot infect any further cells. But how high the number of these antibodies must be is still unclear, "explains Watzl.
It's not just the antibodies that are important in fighting an infection. Once the virus has penetrated the cell, the antibodies can no longer reach it because they cannot get into the cell themselves. So the virus can multiply. "Our immune system has the T cells to fight this. They are able to kill such virus-infected cells, so to speak. That means that we would rather sacrifice a few cells in our body, namely the infected ones, than we would the virus Give yourself the opportunity to multiply, "says Watzl, describing the procedure.
You can measure both. In practice, however, it is more difficult to determine the number of T cells. This test is relatively complex, but quite useful. "The antibodies alone do not necessarily say anything about how well you are really protected. It may well be that I have hardly any antibodies, in other words: I could still be infected with the virus. But the response of my T cells is so strong that I don't get seriously ill, "says Watzl.
The immunologist clarifies that someone who has high antibody levels is probably well protected against the corona virus. The reverse conclusion, however, that few antibodies mean that one is not protected, probably does not apply.

There are still different measurement methods for corona antibody tests. Usually laboratory tests have a clear standard ranging from a minimum value to a maximum value. In this way, the doctor can see whether the values ​​are within the normal range. But this has not yet been defined for Corona.
One can only guess. And the values ​​range from less than a hundred to several thousand antibodies that are measured. "If I'm in the top third or in the top half, I probably have good immune protection. But I can't say the exact limit value yet," explains Watzl.
How quickly an antibody level falls is also not clear, only that it falls over time. "It works in two waves. If you look at the values ​​immediately after the vaccination, you have the highest antibody level. In the first few months after the vaccination, this level then falls relatively quickly. But at some point it levels off a certain value. From then on it only goes back very slowly. We know that from other vaccinations, and this also seems to be the case with the corona vaccination, "says Watzl. However, this has not yet been scientifically proven.
There are people who have been vaccinated twice and develop little or no antibodies against the corona virus. These people are then probably not properly protected, warns Watzl.
Many factors can lead to low antibody levels. Age is one of them or a suppressed immune system that does not work as well as healthy and cannot fight intruders appropriately. Often a third vaccination has to be given so that the organism forms antibodies at all.
The range is large and still seems unmanageable. It ranges from 'many antibodies and well protected' to 'too few antibodies and poorly protected' to 'few antibodies and yet protected'.
Conclusion so far: Nothing specific is not known. But immunologist Watzl is optimistic. "A lot helps a lot - I would underline that. It is currently not yet certain where the limit value is, and from what value you are really protected. But we will get there."

[Admiral8Q]

What happened to the underpants bomb guys on planes?
Just wondering.

[Skybird]

^ Intel services think they have abandoned using explosives. There is talk they now go with something virological.

[Jimbuna]

[Rockstar]

Kewl beans everyone, it’s finally over! President Joe Biden said: “you cannot get COVID if you had the vaccine.” But the mask debates and lockdowns for the vaccinated continue. I’m confused. Are they trying to say vaccines don’t work like they should?

[Jimbuna]

Young people will be offered discounted takeaways and taxi rides to get their Covid jabs in a bid to boost vaccine uptake, the government has said.

Food delivery and taxi-hailing firms including Uber, Bolt, Deliveroo and Pizza Pilgrims will offer incentives to people to get vaccinated.

The Department of Health said details on more partnerships would be released "in due course".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58044088

They never offered us oldies anything....so much for equality in the 21st century.

[Jimbuna]

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Kewl beans everyone, it’s finally over! President Joe Biden said: “you cannot get COVID if you had the vaccine.” But the mask debates and lockdowns for the vaccinated continue. I’m confused. Are they trying to say vaccines don’t work like they should?

You know this whole "pandemic" thing has turned into a giant political circus. The "powers that be" jumped the gun with lockdowns and mandates back in March of 2020, they now have to continue on this course to avoid looking stupid. Look at how they report on the pandemic. for example I live in San Diego county, the following is how they report on Covid-19 cases.

The San Diego County health department reported 881 new cases of COVID-19 and no new deaths Saturday, bringing the cumulative number of cases to 297,226 since the pandemic began, with the death toll remaining at 3,798.

There were 23 new hospitalizations reported Saturday, bringing the total to 15,885 to date, with a decrease of one patient from an intensive care unit, bringing the total ICU admissions to date to 1,726, health officials said.

There were 13,543 tests reported as of Friday, with a 7-day average of 11,069 and a 7-day positive rate of 8.5%, the county said.

They conveniently leave out the fact that the mortality rate for confirmed covid-19 cases is 1.2% They distract with statistics and try to shame people into compliance by telling people to "follow the science" when the science doesn't justify their over reaction.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by MaDef

You know this whole "pandemic" thing has turned into a giant political circus. The "powers that be" jumped the gun with lockdowns and mandates back in March of 2020, they now have to continue on this course to avoid looking stupid. Look at how they report on the pandemic. for example I live in San Diego county, the following is how they report on Covid-19 cases.

The San Diego County health department reported 881 new cases of COVID-19 and no new deaths Saturday, bringing the cumulative number of cases to 297,226 since the pandemic began, with the death toll remaining at 3,798.

There were 23 new hospitalizations reported Saturday, bringing the total to 15,885 to date, with a decrease of one patient from an intensive care unit, bringing the total ICU admissions to date to 1,726, health officials said.

There were 13,543 tests reported as of Friday, with a 7-day average of 11,069 and a 7-day positive rate of 8.5%, the county said.

They conveniently leave out the fact that the mortality rate for confirmed covid-19 cases is 1.2% They distract with statistics and try to shame people into compliance by telling people to "follow the science" when the science doesn't justify their over reaction.

Yep. This generally is what people who don't know what they're doing but who want to appear that they're doing something do...

None of the data is being accurately recorded, let alone reported. By the time they identify a new strain, it's already too late since the virus had already mutated again.

What needs to be looked at:

1. How many people who show up at an ER or doctor office have symptoms and get a test with a sufficiently low Ct to confirm some type of coronavirus infection?
2. How many of them are vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?
3. How many who are symptomatic need to be admitted to a hospital (and why do we wait days to do so instead of just dosing them with a course of ivermectin, zinc, antibiotics right away)? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
4. How many of them progress to an ICU?
5. What is the number p of those who are symptomatic, admitted to a hospital and end up in an ICU end up dying?

Case counts are irrelevant if the majority are asymptomatic (there are literally dozens of viruses in everyones' bodies right now that we're not even aware of). Symptomatic cases are irrelevant if you immediately put them on a course of cheap drugs that the studies show work to keep them out of the hospital (that's the same reason why you get tamiflu within 48 hrs of symptoms of the flu). But ivermectin/zinc/doxy cost a lot less than an experimental vaccine that the manufacturers are indemnified from damages. Public health authorities can be forgiven for their actions through March-April 2020. Now, they have no excuse for their dangerous and unscientific actions.

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

this essentially means that even few people who are not vaccinated provide a mutating pool for the delta variant to escape the now-known vaccines.
This means that not only more anti-vaxxers will die.
I guess a bit more "inconveniece" pressed upon those for their action would be in order.

[Ashikaga]

Can we do a survey how many of our members fall into the Covidiot/conspiracy nucase category?

Thank you in advance.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

Can we do a survey how many of our members fall into the Covidiot/conspiracy nucase category?

Thank you in advance.

Depending on your point of view we all do.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

Can we do a survey how many of our members fall into the Covidiot/conspiracy nucase category?

Thank you in advance.

Democrat and Republican leadership prior to Trump thought it was a good idea to fund gain of function research. They had an even brighter idea of paying the Chinese to do it for us. ...so our gov't did this to us. The end.