New feature: Training Mode

ceh · 05-23-19, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Justaguyinnc

Hey.. more options..the better...

I respectfully disagree

In this context, more options would be bad for the community/players in the long run.

It's an old discussion, I'm sure you've seen it many times. It boils down to humans being lazy and preferring the easier way. Some folks, on the other hand, would rather go through slightly more 'trouble' to get more satisfaction out of the whole thing. Then you get your player base segmented and so on.

I was very pleasantly surprised by the no-UI/hardcore/whatever-we-wanna-call-it approach when I first launched the game.

Malwulf · 05-23-19, 07:13 PM

Love this addition! Super helpful for those of us who aren't too experienced with manual aiming, but doesn't necessarily make things too easy once the skill set develops.

Now I'd just love to see some sort of single-player functionality. Playing with a full crew of real people is absolutely amazing and I don't want that lessened, however sometimes it's hard to get the whole crew to report for duty.

ceh · 05-24-19, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Malwulf

Now I'd just love to see some sort of single-player functionality. Playing with a full crew of real people is absolutely amazing and I don't want that lessened, however sometimes it's hard to get the whole crew to report for duty.

Do try playing solo, it's a bit of a challenge running around the stations but it's a lot of fun and very satisfying when you sink 'em all on your own

Justaguyinnc · 05-24-19, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ceh

I'm sure you've seen it many times. It boils down to humans

Yep I seen that before.. it is when a company does not notice their software is being under sold and shuts the door... but by all means.. limit the game as much as possible...we are not paying the bills.. and there are "other" titles that offer more options .. ;-)

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Originally Posted by Malwulf

Now I'd just love to see some sort of single-player functionality..

That WAS at the top of their list "they" said... guess the list changes without notice...

Onkel Neal · 05-24-19, 03:32 AM

Still at the top of the list, nothing has changed.

trindade · 05-24-19, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Still at the top of the list, nothing has changed.

Great to know that Onkel Neal, thanks and keep the good work.

Cheers

stoppro · 06-10-19, 05:37 PM

this is not helping me . do i go to the map then to the scope then to tdc? .I am ready to throw in the towel- I have sunk six ships all with the deck gun. the last ship i sank Neil was with me. the training mode doesn't explain much. rant over --I'll go try again

Pisces · 06-10-19, 06:04 PM

You can view the tracking data on the map with the M key anywhere in the tutorial/training mission. You do not need to view it from the map table.

There is a bug in the game with time. The clock on the map seems to count too quick, around 2 seconds per minute (other say a bit less, 1.8). A ticking in-game stopwatch seems to be the in the right pace, in sync with the OS clock and external stopwatch. The developers should already have a fix for this in the next patch. In the mean time I suggest to test the game-clock rate yourself in comparison to an external clock. And correct your time measurements based on that.

As for tracking AOB. If you switch quickly between periscope and map you should get the same AOB value. With a bit more calculation work there is another way. The course of the target should stay constant. So you should be able to work back calculation from visual AOB, bearing and ownship course to an estimate target course. Same on the map: measure bearing direction on the map with line tools and add/subtracht AOB to get target course. Or mark positions of the icon and draw a line through them. Then compare if you got it right.

Other than that, from what distance do you fire at targets? Try to get closer as you will have better odds against measurement errors you made.

stoppro · 06-10-19, 06:07 PM

well one hit out of nine- right up the stern -and i am not sure how i did that I will just have to keep practicing .

Pisces · 06-10-19, 06:17 PM

If you aimed in the middle and the torpedo hits the aft of it then there are 2 possibilities: it's speed is higher than you set on the TDC, or the AOB was closer to 90 than you set the TDC (which side of 90 degrees we can't tell from your information).

Also try to fire the torpedo when the gyro angle is towards the bow. Turn the periscope to make that so. Then turn the boat if you have to, to get the target in view. Then range becomes a less, or even not, important factor in the torpedo aiming.

p.s. Also never fire from directly behind the target. Odds are high that you will miss because of it's small size. Extend away, surface when safe and move around it at max speed, dive when you are in front of it within 2km to it's path. And wait for it to come in front of you by itself. Attack when gyro angle is set to 0, and target crosses the periscope line. Then AOB is approaching 90 degrees with much better odds of hitting.

05-24-19, 03:32 AM	#5
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06-10-19, 05:37 PM	#7
stoppro Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: vero beach fl Posts: 380 Downloads: 493 Uploads: 0	this is not helping me . do i go to the map then to the scope then to tdc? .I am ready to throw in the towel- I have sunk six ships all with the deck gun. the last ship i sank Neil was with me. the training mode doesn't explain much. rant over --I'll go try again __________________ win 10 64-msi-32gig cosair ddr4-ryzen9-5600evga gtx3060-corsair850watt-2-ssd 500 gig drives 1m2 1tig

06-10-19, 06:04 PM	#8
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,892 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	You can view the tracking data on the map with the M key anywhere in the tutorial/training mission. You do not need to view it from the map table. There is a bug in the game with time. The clock on the map seems to count too quick, around 2 seconds per minute (other say a bit less, 1.8). A ticking in-game stopwatch seems to be the in the right pace, in sync with the OS clock and external stopwatch. The developers should already have a fix for this in the next patch. In the mean time I suggest to test the game-clock rate yourself in comparison to an external clock. And correct your time measurements based on that. As for tracking AOB. If you switch quickly between periscope and map you should get the same AOB value. With a bit more calculation work there is another way. The course of the target should stay constant. So you should be able to work back calculation from visual AOB, bearing and ownship course to an estimate target course. Same on the map: measure bearing direction on the map with line tools and add/subtracht AOB to get target course. Or mark positions of the icon and draw a line through them. Then compare if you got it right. Other than that, from what distance do you fire at targets? Try to get closer as you will have better odds against measurement errors you made. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

06-10-19, 06:07 PM	#9
stoppro Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: vero beach fl Posts: 380 Downloads: 493 Uploads: 0	well one hit out of nine- right up the stern -and i am not sure how i did that I will just have to keep practicing . __________________ win 10 64-msi-32gig cosair ddr4-ryzen9-5600evga gtx3060-corsair850watt-2-ssd 500 gig drives 1m2 1tig

06-10-19, 06:17 PM	#10
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,892 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	If you aimed in the middle and the torpedo hits the aft of it then there are 2 possibilities: it's speed is higher than you set on the TDC, or the AOB was closer to 90 than you set the TDC (which side of 90 degrees we can't tell from your information). Also try to fire the torpedo when the gyro angle is towards the bow. Turn the periscope to make that so. Then turn the boat if you have to, to get the target in view. Then range becomes a less, or even not, important factor in the torpedo aiming. p.s. Also never fire from directly behind the target. Odds are high that you will miss because of it's small size. Extend away, surface when safe and move around it at max speed, dive when you are in front of it within 2km to it's path. And wait for it to come in front of you by itself. Attack when gyro angle is set to 0, and target crosses the periscope line. Then AOB is approaching 90 degrees with much better odds of hitting. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads Last edited by Pisces; 06-10-19 at 06:34 PM.

05-23-19, 07:13 PM	#2
Malwulf Seaman Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 39 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Love this addition! Super helpful for those of us who aren't too experienced with manual aiming, but doesn't necessarily make things too easy once the skill set develops. Now I'd just love to see some sort of single-player functionality. Playing with a full crew of real people is absolutely amazing and I don't want that lessened, however sometimes it's hard to get the whole crew to report for duty.