Wuhan virus 2020

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

200 will be infected. Some will have not symptoms. Other unvaccinated will get the full affect of COVID or maybe a mild case. The vaccinated are not immune to contracting the virus as we now know. These 100 vaccinated will be infected but will recover quickly.

Can see I wrote it wrong.

How many of those who are vaccinated and those who aren't will develop Covid-19 from a Corona infection ?

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can see I wrote it wrong.

How many of those who are vaccinated and those who aren't will develop Covid-19 from a Corona infection ?

Markus

200 will be infected. The vaccine does not prevent contracting COVID-19. The vaccine only lessens the time for recovery. Makes the symptoms less severe.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

200 will be infected. The vaccine does not prevent contracting COVID-19. The vaccine only lessens the time for recovery. Makes the symptoms less severe.

Then I must have remembered wrong.

´cause I thought it was 65-85 % protection from getting infected and 75-95 % protecting from getting severe sick from this infection.

Could be wrong thou

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I thought the vaccine was to protect you. Not others.

For the felt one hundred thousandth time I explain it: The vaccine does not save you from infection, it instead does reduce - dramatically - the probability of you suffering a serious case in case oyu get infected that commands hospitalization and ICU and sees you ending up with a solid probability for not surviving. It does reduce the risk of getting infected, but not as overwhelmingly.


For the repeated time, I explain it like this: When you drive, fastening your seatbelt does not protect you against having an accident, own-caused or caused by somebody else. You can fasten seatbelts and nevertheless have a truck slamming into your rear or you driving against a tree. The seatbelt however reliably saves you from flying through the windshield, slitting your throat and artery and bleeding to death. You still see dead traffic accident victims with closed seatbelts. Point is: without seatbelts you would see multiple times as many killed.

If these poitns are not good enough to convince somebody, okay, let him go to hell, why should others care. The many however have all the right in the world to care for not getting harmed by those stupid few.

Originator principle is valid. You raise a risk for others? You have to step back and let it be. Not them - YOU. The others have any righ there is to self defend against you, or sanctionise you if do not stop and do not stay away.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Then I must have remembered wrong.

´cause I thought it was 65-85 % protection from getting infected and 75-95 % protecting from getting severe sick from this infection.

Could be wrong thou

Markus

It is not a matter of right or wrong. The vaccine has been found to not prevent infection. It only helps resolve the affects quickly. All 200 in this room can possibly pick up the virus and its affects. I know quite a few that have gotten COVID after getting the vaccine. They all suffered loss of taste and the other symptoms. The symptoms not as severe. So, this idea of herd immunity was a pipe dream at best. Specifically if animals can contact the virus. We simply can not vaccine our way out of this.

[Arlo]

Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

What You Need to Know

COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.

You may have side effects after vaccination, but these are normal.
It typically takes two weeks after you are fully vaccinated for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19.
If you are not vaccinated, find a vaccine. Keep taking all precautions until you are fully vaccinated.

If you are fully vaccinated you can resume many activities that you did before the pandemic, but you should wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission to maximize protection from the Delta variant and possibly spreading it to others.

The Immune System—the Body’s Defense Against Infection

To understand how COVID-19 vaccines work, it helps to first look at how our bodies fight illness. When germs, such as the virus that causes COVID-19, invade our bodies, they attack and multiply. This invasion, called an infection, is what causes illness. Our immune system uses several tools to fight infection. Blood contains red cells, which carry oxygen to tissues and organs, and white or immune cells, which fight infection. Different types of white blood cells fight infection in different ways:

Macrophages are white blood cells that swallow up and digest germs and dead or dying cells. The macrophages leave behind parts of the invading germs, called “antigens”. The body identifies antigens as dangerous and stimulates antibodies to attack them.

B-lymphocytes are defensive white blood cells. They produce antibodies that attack the pieces of the virus left behind by the macrophages.
T-lymphocytes are another type of defensive white blood cell. They attack cells in the body that have already been infected.

The first time a person is infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, it can take several days or weeks for their body to make and use all the germ-fighting tools needed to get over the infection. After the infection, the person’s immune system remembers what it learned about how to protect the body against that disease.

The body keeps a few T-lymphocytes, called “memory cells,” that go into action quickly if the body encounters the same virus again. When the familiar antigens are detected, B-lymphocytes produce antibodies to attack them. Experts are still learning how long these memory cells protect a person against the virus that causes COVID-19.

How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness.

COVID vaccine

Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection. But with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.

It typically takes a few weeks after vaccination for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.

Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are signs that the body is building immunity.

Types of Vaccines
Currently, there are three main types of COVID-19 vaccines that are authorized and recommended or undergoing large-scale (Phase 3) clinical trials in the United States.

Below is a description of how each type of vaccine prompts our bodies to recognize and protect us from the virus that causes COVID-19. None of these vaccines can give you COVID-19.

mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.

Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that causes COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and antibodies that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.

Vector vaccines contain a modified version of a different virus than the one that causes COVID-19. Inside the shell of the modified virus, there is material from the virus that causes COVID-19. This is called a “viral vector.” Once the viral vector is inside our cells, the genetic material gives cells instructions to make a protein that is unique to the virus that causes COVID-19. Using these instructions, our cells make copies of the protein. This prompts our bodies to build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus if we are infected in the future.

Some COVID-19 Vaccines Require More Than One Shot

To be fully vaccinated, you will need two shots of some COVID-19 vaccines.

Two shots: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires two shots, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your second shot. Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines require two shots.
One Shot: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires one shot, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your shot. Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine only requires one shot.

If it has been less than two weeks since your shot, or if you still need to get your second shot, you are NOT fully protected. Keep taking steps to protect yourself and others until you are fully vaccinated (two weeks after your final shot).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...M:gen:PTN:FY21

So, as you can (or should) see, the vaccines offer a way to boost your system with tools to fight the virus. No vaccine was ever designed to totally 'virus proof' anyone. They aren't 'armor' or 'cellophane wrap' ... think of them as a way to help your 'natural immunity' to begin before actual infection. Once infected, your body already has a head start, if you will.

AVGWarhawk in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

(Oh, and you're welcome.)

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

For the felt one hundred thousandth time I explain it: The vaccine does not save you from infection, it instead does reduce - dramatically - the probability of you suffering a serious case in case oyu get infected that commands hospitalization and ICU and sees you ending up with a solid probability for not surviving. It does reduce the risk of getting infected, but not as overwhelmingly.


For the repeated time, I explain it like this: When you drive, fastening your seatbelt does not protect you against having an accident, own-caused or caused by somebody else. You can fasten seatbelts and nevertheless have a truck slamming into your rear or you driving against a tree. The seatbelt however reliably saves you from flying through the windshield, slitting your throat and artery and bleeding to death. You still see dead traffic accident victims with closed seatbelts. Point is: without seatbelts you would see multiple times as many killed.

If these poitns are not good enough to convince somebody, okay, let him go to hell, why should others care. The many however have all the right in the world to care for not getting harmed by those stupid few.

Originator principle is valid. You raise a risk for others? You have to step back and let it be. Not them - YOU. The others have any righ there is to self defend against you, or sanctionise you if do not stop and do not stay away.

Skybird, read all of my posts. It will save you a lot of keyboard time. Furthermore, how is the unvaccinated risking others? Step back and read your first paragraph in this very post. The vaccine helps the vaccinated. The vaccine protects the vaccinated from sever affects. The vaccine job is to protect YOU! A vaccinated you can carry the virus. Infect others and basically make you no better than unvaccinated person. Only exception, you get better faster. For those that do not want to wear a seatbelt, so be it. For those that do not want the vaccine, so be it. Either scenario can be deadly to this individual.

[Arlo]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs/8106810002/


(Again, you're welcome.)

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

What You Need to Know

COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.

You may have side effects after vaccination, but these are normal.
It typically takes two weeks after you are fully vaccinated for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19.
If you are not vaccinated, find a vaccine. Keep taking all precautions until you are fully vaccinated.

If you are fully vaccinated you can resume many activities that you did before the pandemic, but you should wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission to maximize protection from the Delta variant and possibly spreading it to others.

The Immune System—the Body’s Defense Against Infection

To understand how COVID-19 vaccines work, it helps to first look at how our bodies fight illness. When germs, such as the virus that causes COVID-19, invade our bodies, they attack and multiply. This invasion, called an infection, is what causes illness. Our immune system uses several tools to fight infection. Blood contains red cells, which carry oxygen to tissues and organs, and white or immune cells, which fight infection. Different types of white blood cells fight infection in different ways:

Macrophages are white blood cells that swallow up and digest germs and dead or dying cells. The macrophages leave behind parts of the invading germs, called “antigens”. The body identifies antigens as dangerous and stimulates antibodies to attack them.

B-lymphocytes are defensive white blood cells. They produce antibodies that attack the pieces of the virus left behind by the macrophages.
T-lymphocytes are another type of defensive white blood cell. They attack cells in the body that have already been infected.

The first time a person is infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, it can take several days or weeks for their body to make and use all the germ-fighting tools needed to get over the infection. After the infection, the person’s immune system remembers what it learned about how to protect the body against that disease.

The body keeps a few T-lymphocytes, called “memory cells,” that go into action quickly if the body encounters the same virus again. When the familiar antigens are detected, B-lymphocytes produce antibodies to attack them. Experts are still learning how long these memory cells protect a person against the virus that causes COVID-19.

How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness.

COVID vaccine

Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection. But with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.

It typically takes a few weeks after vaccination for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.

Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are signs that the body is building immunity.

Types of Vaccines
Currently, there are three main types of COVID-19 vaccines that are authorized and recommended or undergoing large-scale (Phase 3) clinical trials in the United States.

Below is a description of how each type of vaccine prompts our bodies to recognize and protect us from the virus that causes COVID-19. None of these vaccines can give you COVID-19.

mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.

Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that causes COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and antibodies that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.

Vector vaccines contain a modified version of a different virus than the one that causes COVID-19. Inside the shell of the modified virus, there is material from the virus that causes COVID-19. This is called a “viral vector.” Once the viral vector is inside our cells, the genetic material gives cells instructions to make a protein that is unique to the virus that causes COVID-19. Using these instructions, our cells make copies of the protein. This prompts our bodies to build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus if we are infected in the future.

Some COVID-19 Vaccines Require More Than One Shot

To be fully vaccinated, you will need two shots of some COVID-19 vaccines.

Two shots: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires two shots, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your second shot. Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines require two shots.
One Shot: If you get a COVID-19 vaccine that requires one shot, you are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after your shot. Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine only requires one shot.

If it has been less than two weeks since your shot, or if you still need to get your second shot, you are NOT fully protected. Keep taking steps to protect yourself and others until you are fully vaccinated (two weeks after your final shot).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...M:gen:PTN:FY21

So, as you can (or should) see, the vaccines offer a way to boost your system with tools to fight the virus. No vaccine was ever designed to totally 'virus proof' anyone. They aren't 'armor' or 'cellophane wrap' ... think of them as a way to help your 'natural immunity' to begin before actual infection. Once infected, your body already has a head start, if you will.

AVGWarhawk in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

(Oh, and you're welcome.)

Like clock work this one.

Sadly, these vaccines were sold by the good old government as armor. You will not get sick with this vaccine. This followed by, "We don't know." from the great minds. Never should have gone down that way. The vaccine administered. Masks, social distancing, and hand washing to continue. People dropped their guard as a result of bad selling of the vaccine and what it could do in an atmosphere full of the unknown.

[Arlo]

Ah, the total lack of appreciation. Well, I suppose one mustn't ever concede when they have what they consider to be a perfect point and a crusade to fight.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Ah, the total lack of appreciation. Well, I suppose one mustn't ever concede when they have what they consider to be a perfect point and a crusade to fight.

Never said I'm anti-vaccine. Did we not just have a conversation about assuming? You may have all the jabs you like. I will get mine when I'm damn good and ready.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Never said I'm anti-vaccine. Did we not just have a conversation about assuming? You may have all the jabs you like. I will get mine when I'm damn good and ready.

Relax, `ol boy. I'm not trying to convince you that licking rats is a bad thing. I wouldn't dare waste my time on such.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Skybird, read all of my posts. It will save you a lot of keyboard time. Furthermore, how is the unvaccinated risking others? Step back and read your first paragraph in this very post. The vaccine helps the vaccinated. The vaccine protects the vaccinated from sever affects. The vaccine job is to protect YOU! A vaccinated you can carry the virus. Infect others and basically make you no better than unvaccinated person. Only exception, you get better faster. For those that do not want to wear a seatbelt, so be it. For those that do not want the vaccine, so be it. Either scenario can be deadly to this individual.

Read what i actually said. I said the vaccine does dramatically reduce the probability for suffering a serious cause if you get infected - and it reducues the chance of getting infected in the first, just not to a similiar great proability. Against Delta, that is. With earlier strains, the probabiulity of avodij ng ifneciton in the first was much bigger, too.



Its not "either this effect or that effect". Its both effects, just that their quality is wider apart. Even the smaller probability for avoiding getting infected still has a signficiant effect on slowing down the pandemic and reducing the infection activity level.

[mapuc]

A thought

A vaccinated can get infected without showing any symptoms.

Do these people take a Corona test now and then ? No why should they-they are vaccinated and believe they are protected.

Markus

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

A thought

A vaccinated can get infected without showing any symptoms.

Do these people take a Corona test now and then ? No why should they-they are vaccinated and believe they are protected.

Markus

It's not always up to them. Here (in this city and state of the U.S.) Covid testing is currently denied to anyone not showing symptoms. I know, crazy, right?