Underwater appearance issue (Banding) - Page 2

Balladeer · 06-23-16, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzin1973

I dont think the culpit is the monitor or the way its connected. My PC is certainly not a "top of the line gaming monster" eiter, But I have about 120 other games ranging from "relics" such as quake & quake 2, to more recent ones like Assassins creed, madmax, etc. And i only have this issue with SH4.

In SH3, with the GWX3 mod, i do get a little banding on the night sky sometimes, but nothing like SH4. SH5 runs fine too (well, as "fine" as sh5 can run! lol).

I think its something in the SH4 engine not "getting along" with nvidia card drivers.
It doesnt make the game unplayable, but its bad enough that i have trouble seeing the target sometimes. When looking thru the periscope, The banding happens not only on the tones of the night sky, but also arround the "lens effect" of the periscope itself.
Ill take a screenshot and post it here.

I agree as well. I think its something in the engine, maybe light rendering related. I have other games with space or water and its usually a consistent, transitioned color. But like you say it may be something a driver would fix I just don't know. If I find a photo upload site I like(haven't used one in years)I'll post a screen capture too.

limkol · 06-23-16, 10:59 AM

Like I said above, I have the issue with Silent Hunter series and ARMA. ARMA is not an old game, so i doubt that it is just the game that gives the problem. But I'm just guessing

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I installed SH3 on my son's laptop and it renders the sky and underwater fine without banding.

cdrsubron7 · 06-23-16, 12:22 PM

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If I find a photo upload site I like(haven't used one in years)I'll post a screen capture too.

I use Tinypic.com. It's free and easy to use.

cdrsubron7 · 06-23-16, 12:23 PM

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I installed SH3 on my son's laptop and it renders the sky and underwater fine without banding.

What kind of graphics card does your son's laptop use?

limkol · 06-23-16, 01:01 PM

@cdrsubron7: It's an AMD Radeon R5 as far as I remember. Just don't know which one.

cdrsubron7 · 06-23-16, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by limkol

@cdrsubron7: It's an AMD Radeon R5 as far as I remember. Just don't know which one.

And the graphics card on your PC is?

Rockin Robbins · 06-25-16, 11:25 AM

And banding is always caused by the graphics engine not having enough colors to choose from. In photography we call it posterization and it is purposely caused by limiting the color pallet.

limkol · 06-26-16, 03:25 PM

@cdrsubron7:
Sorry for not replying sooner, just got a new labrador pup!
My graphic card is an Nvidia GeForce 460.

Sorry to hijack Balladeer's thread...but I'm sure many people have the same banding problem. Would be nice to know if it could be cured and if so, is it a newer graphic card, monitor or different cable set up that needs looking at....or is it just time for a newer computer?

Benzin1973 · 06-26-16, 07:53 PM

So this seems to happen to those of use who have nvidia cards. And the people with AMDs dont seem to have the problem.

limkol, i dont think its an issue of outdated hardware. Balladeer has a GTX 970, thats a high end card capable of running most (all?) modern AAA games (fallout 4, mad max, gta 5, etc), it shouldnt even break a sweat running sh4.

Personally i have a GTX750ti, wich is "lower on the ladder" than a 970, and its still more than enough to run SH4. Even SH5 runs at over 60FPS.

Im betting that its either some "tweak" we need to do to our nvidia settings, or some incompatibility between the nvidia drivers and SH4. Lets hope its the former!

LGN1 · 06-27-16, 01:59 PM

Hi,

I'm suffering from the same problem, but I have a AMD Radeon HD 6970

Best, LGN1

propbeanie · 06-27-16, 03:23 PM

I could have ~sworn~ that I posted a reply in here... but the brain, it eez strange, eez eet not?... Anyway, on the nVidia web site forum, there are all sorts of complaints about the same banding issue in "games" - a lot of games. Some say it's AA, others say it's something else. I did a search and found a vid on ToobYu, and the guy sets his refresh rate from 60Hz to 59.999. Now, how that helps, if it even does, I do not know (mind over reality?). Another fellow on the 3d guru site mentions using some freeware "tool" that can adjust the AA (and other) settings of an nVidia card. Again, how useful it actually is, I don't know...

max-peck · 06-28-16, 05:04 PM

Hate to suggest anything obvious - but have you tried turning off the 'light rays' in your graphics options?

Benzin1973 · 06-28-16, 05:58 PM

Have tried changing every setting. Light rays, post effects, etc. And combinations of those settings. No go

CaptainC · 02-20-20, 12:33 AM

This is still an issue, no fix was ever found eh?

06-23-16, 10:59 AM	#17
limkol XO Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: looking in the bilge for a bottle opener Posts: 416 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	Like I said above, I have the issue with Silent Hunter series and ARMA. ARMA is not an old game, so i doubt that it is just the game that gives the problem. But I'm just guessing. I installed SH3 on my son's laptop and it renders the sky and underwater fine without banding.

06-25-16, 11:25 AM	#22
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	And banding is always caused by the graphics engine not having enough colors to choose from. In photography we call it posterization and it is purposely caused by limiting the color pallet. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

06-28-16, 05:04 PM	#27
max-peck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: UK Posts: 752 Downloads: 393 Uploads: 0	Hate to suggest anything obvious - but have you tried turning off the 'light rays' in your graphics options? __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not from the threat of force If the only tool you have is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail FOTRS Ultimate http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=226270 The future of SH4 - coming to a PC near you soon

06-23-16, 01:01 PM	#20
limkol XO Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: looking in the bilge for a bottle opener Posts: 416 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	@cdrsubron7: It's an AMD Radeon R5 as far as I remember. Just don't know which one.

06-26-16, 03:25 PM	#23
limkol XO Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: looking in the bilge for a bottle opener Posts: 416 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	@cdrsubron7: Sorry for not replying sooner, just got a new labrador pup! My graphic card is an Nvidia GeForce 460. Sorry to hijack Balladeer's thread...but I'm sure many people have the same banding problem. Would be nice to know if it could be cured and if so, is it a newer graphic card, monitor or different cable set up that needs looking at....or is it just time for a newer computer?

06-26-16, 07:53 PM	#24
Benzin1973 Engineer Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 217 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	So this seems to happen to those of use who have nvidia cards. And the people with AMDs dont seem to have the problem. limkol, i dont think its an issue of outdated hardware. Balladeer has a GTX 970, thats a high end card capable of running most (all?) modern AAA games (fallout 4, mad max, gta 5, etc), it shouldnt even break a sweat running sh4. Personally i have a GTX750ti, wich is "lower on the ladder" than a 970, and its still more than enough to run SH4. Even SH5 runs at over 60FPS. Im betting that its either some "tweak" we need to do to our nvidia settings, or some incompatibility between the nvidia drivers and SH4. Lets hope its the former!

06-27-16, 01:59 PM	#25
LGN1 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,138 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 12	Hi, I'm suffering from the same problem, but I have a AMD Radeon HD 6970 Best, LGN1

06-27-16, 03:23 PM	#26
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,749 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	I could have ~sworn~ that I posted a reply in here... but the brain, it eez strange, eez eet not?... Anyway, on the nVidia web site forum, there are all sorts of complaints about the same banding issue in "games" - a lot of games. Some say it's AA, others say it's something else. I did a search and found a vid on ToobYu, and the guy sets his refresh rate from 60Hz to 59.999. Now, how that helps, if it even does, I do not know (mind over reality?). Another fellow on the 3d guru site mentions using some freeware "tool" that can adjust the AA (and other) settings of an nVidia card. Again, how useful it actually is, I don't know...

06-28-16, 05:58 PM	#28
Benzin1973 Engineer Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 217 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	Have tried changing every setting. Light rays, post effects, etc. And combinations of those settings. No go

02-20-20, 12:33 AM	#29
CaptainC Watch Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 26 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	This is still an issue, no fix was ever found eh?