Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

One has hope it's true. Then who takes over ?



Markus

[Jimbuna]

Putin ‘forming axis of terror’ as he welcomes Hamas and Iran to Moscow.

Vladimir Putin sought to intervene in the Middle Eastern conflict on Thursday by inviting senior Hamas and Iranian leaders to Moscow.

In a move condemned by Israel as an “obscene step” that “gives support to terrorism”, Russian officials met with the terror group who praised them for taking an “active role” in the war.

Ali Bagheri Kani, the deputy foreign minister of Iran, the main foreign sponsor of Hamas, was also in Moscow for talks.

The developments have raised concern in the West that Russia has formed an “axis of terror” with Hamas, mediated by Iran.

Hamas praised Putin personally for his “stance” on the conflict and “acknowledged the active role of Russian diplomacy” in talks over “the recent Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip and strategies to halt the Israeli crimes”.

A photograph released by Hamas showed Bassem Naeem, its head of international relations, and Mousa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of the Hamas politburo, in a meeting with Mikhail Bogdanov, Putin’s special envoy in the Middle East.

Western observers said the meetings suggested Putin had abandoned his long-standing alliance with Israel in favour of closer ties with Iran and its Islamist allies, who carried out the Oct 7 terror attacks on Israel and have stepped up a bombing campaign on American troops in the wider Middle East.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...c7542511&ei=22

[Skybird]

^ And I still cannot see relevant efforts in Europe to start beefing up defences and military power and defence industries. Instead the EU has tripled its payments to Gaza/Hamas, which is practically one and the same.



They must necessarily think we're completely idiotic.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

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Wonder if it has to do with the fact that Russia has only put aside a part of it's military equipment to this war-Which should be a quick 3 days operation.

What will happen if Russia declare Ukraine war instead and thereby open up for the entire air force and hundred of thousands soldiers(reserves)

Now you may say. This is not going to happen.

Are you 110 % sure ?

Markus

Russia has most of its military equipment in Ukraine they degraded its forces on the Europe and Asian borders most skilled officers on the front are KIA or not available any more their army fights with hardly trained personnel and that you can see they make many fatal mistakes. Do not think their air force has the planes that they can actively use, it has flown too many hours combined bad maintained still can not figure out why they're not using their air force as we expected we only saw the first night acting according use in wars. With a hundred of thousands soldiers (reserves) alone you can not win like with artillery or air force alone also not Russia does still not do combined fighting they lack the training for this and with all those died in the first year they now have no time to learn this.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

One has hope it's true. Then who takes over ?

Markus

Putin dies for a couple of years now the rumours that he has cancer or something fatal under Russians is from way back but if when it will be a puppet to take over under control of the current circle but knowing Russians they probably **** this up so would not know and think it does not matter Russia will not change to the good can only hope the hate among them is high and Russia goes full total faction war so that they need the resources from Ukraine to survive but wishful thinking.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Russia has most of its military equipment in Ukraine they degraded its forces on the Europe and Asian borders most skilled officers on the front are KIA or not available any more their army fights with hardly trained personnel and that you can see they make many fatal mistakes. Do not think their air force has the planes that they can actively use, it has flown too many hours combined bad maintained still can not figure out why they're not using their air force as we expected we only saw the first night acting according use in wars. With a hundred of thousands soldiers (reserves) alone you can not win like with artillery or air force alone also not Russia does still not do combined fighting they lack the training for this and with all those died in the first year they now have no time to learn this.

No doubt you're right in what you wrote.
Nevertheless they keep on pushing forward in Avdiivka and other places..Despite losing hundreds of boots and military stuff each day...they keep on marching forward.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Separatist lined up to be Putin’s puppet leader in Ukraine ‘is shot in Crimea home’

A pro-Russian former politician in Ukraine is fighting for his life after being shot in his Crimea home, an official has said.

Oleg Tsaryov, who was reportedly being lined up to lead a puppet administration in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv after Russia’s invasion, is in intensive care, Vladimir Rogov, a Russian-installed official in southern Ukraine, said.

He was reportedly shot twice at around midnight at his home in Crimea.

“Oleg’s condition is very serious. He is currently in intensive care,” Mr Rogov wrote on the Telegram messaging app.

Sources told Reuters last year that Russia had been lining up Mr Tsaryov to head a puppet government in Kyiv after Moscow’s forces invaded on 24 February.

Mr Tsaryov himself dismissed that possibility when the Financial Times reported it, citing US intelligence, ahead of the invasion.

He told the paper at the time that the idea was “pretty funny” because he was just running a wellness business in Crimea and was “not important enough”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...414a9e23&ei=12

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

No doubt you're right in what you wrote.
Nevertheless they keep on pushing forward in Avdiivka and other places..Despite losing hundreds of boots and military stuff each day...they keep on marching forward.

Markus

At what cost? There comes a point in time that even Russia cannot mass murder their own any more when the economic troubles become too high the loses on the front become too high and see that the West will not give this up that Russia has become so isolated it can not go on. We do not see it now, but it can always happen that the house of cards destroys itself

[Exocet25fr]

[Dargo]

Heavy Russian equipment losses around Avdiivka will likely undermine Russian offensive capabilities over the long term. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated on October 26 that Russian forces have suffered 5,000 personnel killed and wounded and 400 armored vehicles losses near Avdiivka and Marinka (southwest of Donetsk City) since October 10.[1] Satellite imagery has confirmed that the Russian military has lost at least 109 military vehicles, primarily armored fighting vehicles and tanks, near Avdiivika between October 10 and 20.[2] A Ukrainian reserve officer stated that Russian forces appear to be using fewer armored vehicles near Avdiivka, although Russian forces may be regrouping for renewed large mechanized assaults as they did between the initial mechanized assaults on October 10 and a second series of large mechanized assaults on October 19 and 20.[3] The Russian command has funneled additional forces to the Avdiivka front to offset heavy manpower losses and maintain the Russian military’s ability to sustain its ongoing offensive effort.[4]

The Russian command will likely struggle to offset Russian equipment losses, particularly in armored vehicles, however. Widespread Russian equipment losses and shortages in the first year of the full-scale invasion heavily restricted Russia’s ability to conduct effective mechanized maneuver warfare during the Russian military's winter-spring 2023 offensive, contributing to further losses in disorderly mechanized assaults near Vuhledar, Donetsk Oblast in January and February 2023.[5] Heavy losses around Vuhledar likely prevented the Russian command from committing to sustained mechanized assaults elsewhere in Ukraine later in the winter-spring 2023 offensive.[6] Recent Russian equipment losses around Avdiivka appear to be much larger than earlier equipment losses around Vuhledar. It remains unclear if the prospect of further heavy equipment losses will deter the Russian command from launching another series of large, mechanized assaults near Avdiivka. Russia has gradually mobilized elements of its defense industrial base (DIB) to address equipment shortages but has not done so at a scale remotely sufficient to offset the cumulative Russian equipment losses in Ukraine.[7] Recent Russian equipment losses around Avdiivka will likely lead to even more pronounced Russian equipment shortages and setbacks for any progress that the Russian military has made in addressing degraded mechanized maneuver warfare capabilities. https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ctober-26-2023

[mapuc]

^ In an answer to one of my comment your started it with
"At what cost ?"

The answer can be read in ISW 26 Oct. issue, which you have posted ^

I have no doubt it is so..meaning mostly true what they have written(ISW)

When I tell this to my fb-friends they laugh and say I shouldn't be listerning to Westly propaganda and that Ukraine can't win this war.

It's understandable why they laugh. They know it's true but they want accept it.

Markus

[mapuc]

One of the enemy's important propaganda narratives is that it is futile to fight Russia because Russia has "virtually unlimited resources" such as money, people, weapons, etc. The calculation of Russian propaganda is to shake the faith of Ukrainians in the possibility of victory, as well as to sow doubts among our Western partners.

https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=re...id=1304&page=1

Markus