Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Walking on eggshells to spare feelings doesn't seem to work, either.

Eventually you just decide to be blunt for the sake of third parties observing.

*ShruG*

But I love you all. Every single one of you. Just don't expect me to swap spit with you whether in public or private.

Subsim, baby. There's better things to dis-cuss here (maybe not as fun ... but better).

Carry on my wayward son .... there'll be peace when you are done.

I start to really like this guy.

[Rockstar]

I was looking at Florida’s inpatient bed situation. It seems at the beginning they geared up and had over 77,971 inpatient beds available. But COVID hospitalizations never came close to reaching that capacity. In fact there remained a truck load of empty beds until November 2020 when the number of inpatient beds was reduced to 55,987, which I think is close to the norm for that state.

Though there have been some big COVID spikes particularly when Florida opened for business. It’s appears hospitals have always been able to handle the influx.

Anyway, that’s my interpretation of the numbers.

I’d really love to find current seroprevelance studies and case fatality rates. But that’s a very rare subject and there’re nowhere to be found.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I was looking at Florida’s inpatient bed situation. It seems at the beginning they geared up and had over 77,971 inpatient beds available. But COVID hospitalizations never came close to reaching that capacity. In fact there remained a truck load of empty beds until November 2020 when the number of inpatient beds was reduced to 55,987, which I think is close to the norm for that state.

Though there have been some big COVID spikes particularly when Florida opened for business. It’s appears hospitals have always been able to handle the influx.

Anyway, that’s my interpretation of the numbers.

I’d really love to find current seroprevelance studies and case fatality rates. But that’s a very rare subject and there’re nowhere to be found.

Not for nothing, there was no hospital overload in the state of MD that I'm aware of.

Question how are those counted that get the virus, do not get tested(not really knowing what has made them ill) and stay home to recover?

[mapuc]

10-9-8-7-6-5-4......

[Catfish]

edit:@ les green01
To my defence i tried to explain some things and you did not answer, sorry to see this get out of hand.
re exchange look at your pm inbox.

[les green01]

your opinion i try to respect it also know things can get heated which was one reason i was getting off subsim for awhile so it would not blow over into has what has happen for the record though the doctor told me i shouldnt i went ahead and got my first shot it still was my choice and im going respect other choices in the matter shot or not shot everybody choices now i should have listen to the doctor about the virus shot throat swell up itching everywhere chemicals reactions that i have

[Catfish]

Others please refrain from comments for now.
edit: @Arlo tried to send you a pm bt it would not let me, would you please delete the ^ quote?
Les and me had a private conversation to clear things up. Thanks.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Others please refrain from comments for now, we will clear this in PMs.

Kinda hard to comment on PMs. I'll presume ya'll are successfully using them as long as nothing crazy and stupid rises to the surface (floats down to the bottom?). I've been through Missouri. Neat caverns.

[les green01]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Kinda hard to comment on PMs. I'll presume ya'll are successfully using them as long as nothing crazy and stupid rises to the surface (floats down to the bottom?). I've been through Missouri. Neat caverns.

we took care of the problem deleted or edits posts things overheated and misups in languages

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Critical thought and constant denial are two different things. You're not just questioning. You obviously have a strong bias beforehand. And equating Covid to the common cold .. or even the flu (bearing in mind the horrible 'Spanish' flu epidemic from over a century ago) just reflects a true lack of understanding regarding all of such. Again, I blame the internet and the propensity of those wanting to find what they already believe and stopping short of true 'critical thought.'

Perhaps balance is due:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKCN26D0XT

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

I know. That doesn't matter to you. Conspiracies are so much more entertaining.

Read it again. You fail to understand I'm not equating covid to colds and flu as to their actual burdens. I'm making the point that people are trying to do things and alter behaviors for covid that they haven't done for other respiratory viruses - because of perceived risk based upon information provided that is itself intended to promote those behaviors. The *actual* risk is much lower for covid than the perceived risk for most people. Poll a large enough sample size in *any* western democracy and you'll find that most polled will have a perceived risk that is an order of magnitude larger than the actual risk. One survey last year showed that a large portion of those surveyed believed 33 million Americans died from covid. Anyone with any common sense would know that doesn't pass the smell test. A loss of 10% of the entire population isn't going to go unnoticed...

Another really good set of interesting points can be found here - ignore the tweeter and listen to the actual source material.

Tweet from @SebGorka: More COVID facts the CDC & Biden Administration doesn't want you to hear. https://t.co/WRaLZtqC0f

[Skybird]

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news...d873635394a789

As of Aug. 2, more than 164 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19, according to the CDC. Fewer than 0.001% of those individuals — 1,507 people — died and fewer than 0.005% — 7,101 people — were hospitalized with Covid-19.

"Jabs! Jabs...!"

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

... ignore the tweeter and listen to the actual source material.

Tweet from @SebGorka: More COVID facts the CDC & Biden Administration doesn't want you to hear. https://t.co/WRaLZtqC0f

Sorry. I'm a full context guy. The source is part of such.

“Gorka’s (PhD) thesis is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University,”

"Gorka’s a former Breitbart editor with Islamophobic views and ties to neo-Nazi extremists."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...y-guru-129772/

(You'll no doubt have issue with my source, eh?)

Seeing where you get your 'information' (versus some of the sources I might), I cannot consider you less than extremely (and recklessly) biased. But ... have a beer (or whatever) and maybe stop trying so hard here. The only forum members you're likely to impress/'win over' are fellow Kool-Aid consumers.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I was looking at Florida’s inpatient bed situation. It seems at the beginning they geared up and had over 77,971 inpatient beds available. But COVID hospitalizations never came close to reaching that capacity. In fact there remained a truck load of empty beds until November 2020 when the number of inpatient beds was reduced to 55,987, which I think is close to the norm for that state.

Though there have been some big COVID spikes particularly when Florida opened for business. It’s appears hospitals have always been able to handle the influx.

Anyway, that’s my interpretation of the numbers.

I’d really love to find current seroprevelance studies and case fatality rates. But that’s a very rare subject and there’re nowhere to be found.

Shhhh... You're going against the approved narrative. Report to your local re-education pod, friend citizen.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Sorry. I'm a full context guy. The source is part of such.

“Gorka’s (PhD) thesis is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University,”

"Gorka’s a former Breitbart editor with Islamophobic views and ties to neo-Nazi extremists."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...y-guru-129772/

(You'll no doubt have issue with my source, eh?)

Seeing where you get your 'information' (versus some of the sources I might), I cannot consider you less than extremely (and recklessly) biased. But ... have a beer (or whatever) and maybe stop trying so hard here. The only forum members you're likely to impress/'win over' are fellow Kool-Aid consumers.

You probably made the same biased mistake sa plenty of others and didn't even bother looking at it. If you had, you would know that it's linking to a video of an MD speaking in front of a school board in Indiana - explaining exactly why masks, vaccines, lockdowns have *always* been futile for respiratory viruses - and if the goal is to stop covid-19, it's never going to happen.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Sorry. I'm a full context guy. The source is part of such.

“Gorka’s (PhD) thesis is about as legitimate as if he had been awarded it by Trump University,”

"Gorka’s a former Breitbart editor with Islamophobic views and ties to neo-Nazi extremists."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...y-guru-129772/

(You'll no doubt have issue with my source, eh?)

Seeing where you get your 'information' (versus some of the sources I might), I cannot consider you less than extremely (and recklessly) biased. But ... have a beer (or whatever) and maybe stop trying so hard here. The only forum members you're likely to impress/'win over' are fellow Kool-Aid consumers.

Ever hear of Tibor Navracsics? Maybe you really should reconsider using some two bit no name writer from Rolling Stone and like magazines as a reliable source of information concerning a person’s character. Instead maybe focus on the arguement 3catcircus’s brought to the table and offer an educated opinion to further peoples understanding.


Btw regarding Gorka as stated by Tibor Navaracis.

“… In fact, he took a very public role, repeatedly expressing his conviction that whether it be former Nazis in Germany after the war or former communists in Central Europe after 1990, the future of democracy depended upon “lustration,” and on a truthful accounting with the past.

That is why the recent media attacks accusing Mr. Gorka of anti-Semitism and ties to fascist groups are all the more disgusting. Today, as a proud naturalized American citizen, Sebastian Gorka is a deputy assistant to President Trump, a position he is ideally suited to. I have watched with admiration as he found a new home and rose so rapidly to the highest of policy positions, again no doubt thanks largely to his outspoken stance on the values that bind lovers of democracy on both sides of the Atlantic.

I know, whether he was uncovering the shameful truth of the communist background of politicians who had tried to re-invent themselves as enlightened “socialists” or pushing back against the hateful and irredentist messages of new parties such as Hungary’s Jobbik, he did so not for any personal gain but because he believed in the classic liberal ideals of the West.

Many call politics a blood sport, and in many nations, at the highest levels it is. But when a man with the unimpeachable credentials and life story of Sebastian Gorka is falsely accused and associated with the ideas he has spent a lifetime fighting against, then we all pay a price and democracy is sullied for all of us.”

So thanks for taking a big crap on one of the few people left defending democracy Arlo, good job