GER politics thread - Page 51

Skybird · 06-30-19, 05:08 AM

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econo...Um8wiYf6XklhA/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...zation-germany

Tja-tja... Like sowing, so the harvest.

Skybird · 07-07-19, 08:59 AM

Google messes up the translation of this, so I post the German link. I fullheartly agree with what it says. I am surprised a bit to read something like this in one of the biggest national mainstream media over here, Der Tagesspiegel. Its abolut Germany'S arrogant moral know-it-all-attitude and its new imerial demand to lecture others for submission on grounds of niothign but moral claims by Germany even when laws and treaties get vilated by these demands. As I often said, Merkel tramples on laws and treaties as it opportunistically serves her interests. In the end she is

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/.../24532358.html

Skybird · 07-09-19, 06:51 PM

From Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

https://translate.google.de/translat...ter-ld.1493987

Acting as moral world champions and raising them above others is a recurring feature of recent German history.(...)The ugly German no longer wears a Stahlhelm and Wehrmacht uniform. Instead, he provides an ethical ethics lesson in all circumstances.

ikalugin · 07-10-19, 12:51 AM

Food for thought. What would Germany (or other major European power) do if they loose 220 tanks, 480 IFVs, 300 APCs, 80 SPGs, 70 wheeled recon vehicles? And this is a fairly low scale, low intensity war, for a country with solid of old stocks of equipment and repair plants at the start of the conflict.
Makes one really think about the relevance of European majors in such a war.

Note - those were the Ukrainian Kiev Loyalist losses in Donbas (destroyed and captured).

And the separatists:

Catfish · 07-10-19, 01:59 AM

^ so what? You want to hear that Russia has more of all military-wise and would be able to win a territorial conflict?
Granted.
Does thinking like that help to promote a civilian society in Russia?

Then of course there is the doctrine path, like "if you attack with whatever means our answer will be nuclear".
No one seems to be interested in a war, in Europe. Of course Trotsky said "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."

ikalugin · 07-10-19, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ so what? You want to hear that Russia has more of all military-wise and would be able to win a territorial conflict?
Granted.
Does thinking like that help to promote a civilian society in Russia?

Then of course there is the doctrine path, like "if you attack with whatever means our answer will be nuclear".
No one seems to be interested in a war, in Europe. Of course Trotsky said "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."

Nah, we suffer from much of the same problems, though not quite at the same scale, you can for example compare Kiev loyalist losses to our yearly tank modernisation rates, etc.

Military thinking contributes to civil society building by ensuring our sovereighnity. You can see for example what western interference in elections and other democratic processes did with Russia with the example of Yeltsin's second term.

That doctrine path indeed does exist (and may be applicable to Europeans if they stand alone, though Germans do not have nukes) but currently it mostly applies to Russia (due to US being in NATO), even though we are trying to move away from it by developing stronger conventional forces.

Catfish · 07-10-19, 02:04 AM

Jülich wants to build Europe's first quantum computer, together with Google:

https://t3n.de/news/google-juelich-q...puter-1176990/
(english translation: https://translate.google.com/transla...ter-1176990%2F)

https://www.fz-juelich.de/SharedDocs...zj-google.html

ikalugin · 07-10-19, 02:21 AM

Computers are good, sadly we are not very public with ours, as they tend to be in nuclear industry.

Jimbuna · 07-10-19, 06:11 AM

German Chancellor Angela Merkel suffers third shaking bout in less than a month. Surely there must be an underlying medical condition.

https://news.sky.com/story/german-ch...month-11760276

Catfish · 07-10-19, 06:24 AM

^ Well, this is not only a private concern anymore

On the other hand several doctors said they they do not suppose it is something serious.

Jimbuna · 07-10-19, 06:38 AM

Regardless of what the doctors say (I doubt she has undergone blood testing) If she were my wife I'd be very concerned.

Skybird · 07-10-19, 07:24 AM

Dehydration they said after the first incident, and it was hot weather and believable.

Unlikely its dehydration, some of the same doctors said after the second incident, I do not recall the weather then, I think it was warm, but not as hot.

Now, heat wave since days is in holidays, we had temps between 10 and 20 degrees Celsius in past days. Still the warmth and dehydration causing this? Unlikely.

Anyhow, I do not care. She already has done all her damage. And her possible successors will not be better.

ikalugin · 07-14-19, 02:57 PM

https://twitter.com/PowerDNS_Bert/st...634515969?s=19
No idea where to post this, but it seems that European satnav is down.

Skybird · 07-14-19, 06:55 PM

^ Just a German cyberwar drill.

BTW, it has reached the press now:

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...sgefallen.html

Peinlich, peinlich...

Catfish · 07-15-19, 05:16 AM

Italy is responsible.. most probably.

Or Russia, the US or aliens. In that order.

06-30-19, 05:08 AM	#751
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econo...Um8wiYf6XklhA/ https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...zation-germany Tja-tja... Like sowing, so the harvest. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-07-19, 08:59 AM	#752
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Google messes up the translation of this, so I post the German link. I fullheartly agree with what it says. I am surprised a bit to read something like this in one of the biggest national mainstream media over here, Der Tagesspiegel. Its abolut Germany'S arrogant moral know-it-all-attitude and its new imerial demand to lecture others for submission on grounds of niothign but moral claims by Germany even when laws and treaties get vilated by these demands. As I often said, Merkel tramples on laws and treaties as it opportunistically serves her interests. In the end she is https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/.../24532358.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-09-19, 06:51 PM	#753
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	From Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung. https://translate.google.de/translat...ter-ld.1493987 Acting as moral world champions and raising them above others is a recurring feature of recent German history.(...)The ugly German no longer wears a Stahlhelm and Wehrmacht uniform. Instead, he provides an ethical ethics lesson in all circumstances. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-10-19, 12:51 AM	#754
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Food for thought. What would Germany (or other major European power) do if they loose 220 tanks, 480 IFVs, 300 APCs, 80 SPGs, 70 wheeled recon vehicles? And this is a fairly low scale, low intensity war, for a country with solid of old stocks of equipment and repair plants at the start of the conflict. Makes one really think about the relevance of European majors in such a war. Note - those were the Ukrainian Kiev Loyalist losses in Donbas (destroyed and captured). And the separatists: __________________ Grumpy as always.

07-10-19, 01:59 AM	#755
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ so what? You want to hear that Russia has more of all military-wise and would be able to win a territorial conflict? Granted. Does thinking like that help to promote a civilian society in Russia? Then of course there is the doctrine path, like "if you attack with whatever means our answer will be nuclear". No one seems to be interested in a war, in Europe. Of course Trotsky said "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you." __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-10-19, 02:04 AM	#757
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Jülich wants to build Europe's first quantum computer, together with Google: https://t3n.de/news/google-juelich-q...puter-1176990/ (english translation: https://translate.google.com/transla...ter-1176990%2F) https://www.fz-juelich.de/SharedDocs...zj-google.html __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-10-19, 02:21 AM	#758
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Computers are good, sadly we are not very public with ours, as they tend to be in nuclear industry. __________________ Grumpy as always.

07-10-19, 06:11 AM	#759
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	German Chancellor Angela Merkel suffers third shaking bout in less than a month. Surely there must be an underlying medical condition. https://news.sky.com/story/german-ch...month-11760276 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

07-10-19, 06:24 AM	#760
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Well, this is not only a private concern anymore On the other hand several doctors said they they do not suppose it is something serious. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-10-19, 06:38 AM	#761
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Regardless of what the doctors say (I doubt she has undergone blood testing) If she were my wife I'd be very concerned. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

07-10-19, 07:24 AM	#762
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Dehydration they said after the first incident, and it was hot weather and believable. Unlikely its dehydration, some of the same doctors said after the second incident, I do not recall the weather then, I think it was warm, but not as hot. Now, heat wave since days is in holidays, we had temps between 10 and 20 degrees Celsius in past days. Still the warmth and dehydration causing this? Unlikely. Anyhow, I do not care. She already has done all her damage. And her possible successors will not be better. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-14-19, 02:57 PM	#763
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	https://twitter.com/PowerDNS_Bert/st...634515969?s=19 No idea where to post this, but it seems that European satnav is down. __________________ Grumpy as always.

07-14-19, 06:55 PM	#764
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	^ Just a German cyberwar drill. BTW, it has reached the press now: https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...sgefallen.html Peinlich, peinlich... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 07-14-19 at 07:08 PM.

07-15-19, 05:16 AM	#765
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Italy is responsible.. most probably. Or Russia, the US or aliens. In that order. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.