CGI submarine I knocked up, ideas wanted

Axeman3d · 10-13-10, 10:27 AM

Hi gang, used to be a regular here back when SHIII came out, and came back to check out the views on SH-V when it came out, then decided not to buy it just yet...

Anyway, for a laugh i make 3D models, and when I was bored today I decided I'd avoid the usual space ships and aircraft and instead build a submarine. Here's a couple of links, click to embiggen...

The only other sub I've made was a Typhoon some years ago, using references from the web. This was made without using any real references or anything, I just wanted to build a sort of Russian looking sub. I guess it now sort of has elements of Russian, US and UK subs as well, as I was just sticking on bits here and there that looked nice to me. I suppose it's most like the new Borei class, but I was aiming part Typhoon and part Alfa, and this is where I ended up.

It's not super detailed or anything, just something to pass the time. I should have made some masts and bridge crew for the surface shot, since I went to the trouble of making it look like an old western photo of a Russian sub stopped on the surface. I also haven't decided yet where to put the fore diving planes, and thought you guys might have an opinion. Mount them on the sail and you get less noise near the bow sonar, but control is apparently more difficult at periscope depth and you need to faff around to get through ice. Just behind the sonar you get easier depth control but more noise near the sonar. What do you guys think? Ideas? Comments welcomed.

ETR3(SS) · 10-13-10, 01:38 PM

Nice work!

I'd put retractable bow planes near the the dome at the same level as the stern planes.

TLAM Strike · 10-13-10, 09:30 PM

Very nice.

Current and late cold war Russian subs (Akula, Borei and Yasen) mount their (non retractable) bow planes aft of the sonar dome at the same level as their aft planes. I would go with that.

Castout · 10-14-10, 02:04 AM

That looks super cool

Any chance to put the torpedo tubse to midsection so that the bow sonar sphere has full dominion in the front? And make them at least 6 instead of four tubes?

Anyway it's already super cool as it is you've got talent there.

Axeman3d · 10-14-10, 03:28 AM

Looks like aft of the sonar dome is the place for the planes then, I'll go for that. I thought they were still using retractable planes, but it's no issue and makes my life easier modeling it. I always thought that sail mounted planes looked cooler though...

Castout, I wanted to make a Russian style sub, and they tend to have their torpedo tubes exit at the front right above the sonar dome. I therefore stuck 6 x 533mm tubes on the front, although I was toying with the idea of putting a couple of the larger tubes (620mm?) that they use as well since they often mix them together.

Having the sonar fill the front and angled torp tubes at the sides is more an American innovation. I think it makes a lot of sense to give your primary sensors priority, particulary when your weapons are fully guided. No point having straight on tubes if you dont hear the bad guy coming.

What I think I'll do is build a hunter/killer today, and give it the full radome, side tubes and any other recent innovations I can find. Again, if anyone has any ideas that I can incorporate, I'm happy to hear them.

Castout · 10-14-10, 04:18 AM

Anyway that's so gorgeous already . . . . . .!

When you're done with the attack sub pls do share it with us to droll over together

TLAM Strike · 10-14-10, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Axeman3d

I wanted to make a Russian style sub, and they tend to have their torpedo tubes exit at the front right above the sonar dome.

The new Russian Yasen class submarine has the American style amidships tubes.

Also the pod on the stern is a lot smaller now, just a tube like on US Subs. So uncool...

XabbaRus · 10-30-10, 12:55 PM

Cool

I was talking to Neal about having a sub design contest.

Something real too aprat from building the thing.

Have a set of specs and a team designs a sub. Best sub wins.

Chad · 10-30-10, 05:05 PM

That'd be cool Xabba. I'd enter as long as Sledhammer is on my team

Sledgehammer427 · 10-31-10, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad

That'd be cool Xabba. I'd enter as long as Sledhammer is on my team

O_O

XabbaRus · 10-31-10, 04:13 AM

I was thinking for categories TLAM...

Axeman3d · 10-30-10, 05:09 PM

I'm all for it, but you would need to set rules and expectations. You might need to set categories such as era (WWII, Cold War, Future) or even type (SSN, SSK, SSBN, research).

XabbaRus · 10-30-10, 05:13 PM

Well watch this space.

I was thinking modern era,

Littoral Combat,

Blue Water

Anti Surface

I wouldn't want to limit propulsion types, I would count on common sense for that one.

TLAM Strike · 10-30-10, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Cool

I was talking to Neal about having a sub design contest.

Something real too aprat from building the thing.

Have a set of specs and a team designs a sub. Best sub wins.

I'm game!

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Well watch this space.

I was thinking modern era,

Littoral Combat,

Blue Water

Anti Surface

I wouldn't want to limit propulsion types, I would count on common sense for that one.

Littoral and Blue Water are kinda polar opposites Xabba...

10-13-10, 10:27 AM	#1
Axeman3d Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 127 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	CGI submarine I knocked up, ideas wanted Hi gang, used to be a regular here back when SHIII came out, and came back to check out the views on SH-V when it came out, then decided not to buy it just yet... Anyway, for a laugh i make 3D models, and when I was bored today I decided I'd avoid the usual space ships and aircraft and instead build a submarine. Here's a couple of links, click to embiggen... The only other sub I've made was a Typhoon some years ago, using references from the web. This was made without using any real references or anything, I just wanted to build a sort of Russian looking sub. I guess it now sort of has elements of Russian, US and UK subs as well, as I was just sticking on bits here and there that looked nice to me. I suppose it's most like the new Borei class, but I was aiming part Typhoon and part Alfa, and this is where I ended up. It's not super detailed or anything, just something to pass the time. I should have made some masts and bridge crew for the surface shot, since I went to the trouble of making it look like an old western photo of a Russian sub stopped on the surface. I also haven't decided yet where to put the fore diving planes, and thought you guys might have an opinion. Mount them on the sail and you get less noise near the bow sonar, but control is apparently more difficult at periscope depth and you need to faff around to get through ice. Just behind the sonar you get easier depth control but more noise near the sonar. What do you guys think? Ideas? Comments welcomed.

10-13-10, 01:38 PM	#2
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Nice work!I'd put retractable bow planes near the the dome at the same level as the stern planes. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

10-13-10, 09:30 PM	#3
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Very nice. Current and late cold war Russian subs (Akula, Borei and Yasen) mount their (non retractable) bow planes aft of the sonar dome at the same level as their aft planes. I would go with that. __________________

10-14-10, 02:04 AM	#4
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	That looks super cool Any chance to put the torpedo tubse to midsection so that the bow sonar sphere has full dominion in the front? And make them at least 6 instead of four tubes? Anyway it's already super cool as it is you've got talent there. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

10-14-10, 04:18 AM	#6
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Anyway that's so gorgeous already . . . . . .! When you're done with the attack sub pls do share it with us to droll over together __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

10-14-10, 03:28 AM	#5
Axeman3d Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 127 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Looks like aft of the sonar dome is the place for the planes then, I'll go for that. I thought they were still using retractable planes, but it's no issue and makes my life easier modeling it. I always thought that sail mounted planes looked cooler though... Castout, I wanted to make a Russian style sub, and they tend to have their torpedo tubes exit at the front right above the sonar dome. I therefore stuck 6 x 533mm tubes on the front, although I was toying with the idea of putting a couple of the larger tubes (620mm?) that they use as well since they often mix them together. Having the sonar fill the front and angled torp tubes at the sides is more an American innovation. I think it makes a lot of sense to give your primary sensors priority, particulary when your weapons are fully guided. No point having straight on tubes if you dont hear the bad guy coming. What I think I'll do is build a hunter/killer today, and give it the full radome, side tubes and any other recent innovations I can find. Again, if anyone has any ideas that I can incorporate, I'm happy to hear them.

10-30-10, 12:55 PM	#8
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Cool I was talking to Neal about having a sub design contest. Something real too aprat from building the thing. Have a set of specs and a team designs a sub. Best sub wins. __________________

10-30-10, 05:05 PM	#9
Chad ACE Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,274 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	That'd be cool Xabba. I'd enter as long as Sledhammer is on my team __________________

10-31-10, 04:13 AM	#11
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I was thinking for categories TLAM... __________________

10-30-10, 05:09 PM	#12
Axeman3d Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Central Scotland Posts: 127 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I'm all for it, but you would need to set rules and expectations. You might need to set categories such as era (WWII, Cold War, Future) or even type (SSN, SSK, SSBN, research).

10-30-10, 05:13 PM	#13
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well watch this space. I was thinking modern era, Littoral Combat, Blue Water Anti Surface I wouldn't want to limit propulsion types, I would count on common sense for that one. __________________