Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Dargo]

Ukraine starting to advance towards Kherson city, there are reports of village (Pravdyno village in Kherson region) liberated 27 km from the city. Russian troops just saw on TV that they are withdrawing... over a mile wide river... with 30,000+ men trying to cross a dam, a damaged bridge, and a damaged pontoon.

New HIMAR target area if the western bank of the Dnipro River is retaken:

[les green01]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Ukraine starting to advance towards Kherson city, there are reports of village (Pravdyno village in Kherson region) liberated 27 km from the city. Russian troops just saw on TV that they are withdrawing... over a mile wide river... with 30,000+ men trying to cross a dam, a damaged bridge, and a damaged pontoon.

New HIMAR target area if the western bank of the Dnipro River is retaken:

i read the one bridge was knock down since they like giving ukraine equipment they should be able to swim it

[August]

Interesting video

[Jimbuna]

Russia has ordered its military to pull out of Kherson - the only regional capital it has captured since the invasion began.

It's a significant blow for Russia and means its forces will pull out entirely from the western bank of the Dnipro river.

Moscow's commander in Ukraine, Gen Sergei Surovikin, said it wasn't possible to continue supplying the southern city.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky says his country is moving "very carefully" in response to the announcement.

US President Joe Biden said the decision to withdraw from Kherson shows Russia's military has "some real problems"

The US estimates that around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured since the war began.

Meanwhile Russian officials have said President Putin will not take up Indonesia's invitation to attend next week's gathering of G20 leaders.

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Deutsche Welle (German edition):
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How can Ukraine replace Soviet weapons systems and ammunition? Kiev would like to have more NATO systems, but their use poses problems. The army receives most of its weapons from Russia - as spoils of war.

Switzerland again said no. In early November, the government in Bern turned down Berlin's request to transfer Swiss-made 35-mm ammunition for German Gepard tanks to Ukraine. A similar response, citing neutrality, had already been given in June. This time, according to media reports, Germany wanted to hand over 12,400 rounds of ammunition for the anti-aircraft tank. So far, Germany has delivered 30 of the decommissioned Bundeswehr tanks to Ukraine, where they are also used against drones. It was already known before the delivery that there was not enough ammunition for them.

The news shows how difficult it is for Ukraine to upgrade from Soviet to NATO weapons. Kiev received initial Western arms deliveries in the years leading up to the Russian incursion in February, and they accelerated in the weeks before. But the Kiev government did not speak of a massive rearmament until the spring. "We are in a fundamentally new phase that no one dared to dream of," Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba wrote on Facebook in April. "It is about a conversion of the Ukrainian army to NATO weapons, NATO standard. This is already happening."

Exactly where the conversion stands in the ninth month of the war is unknown. The fact is that Ukraine is receiving more and more weapons from the West. But overall, deliveries are limited. For modern heavy technology, the number is in the single digits - such as the IRIS-T anti-aircraft systems from Germany and NASAMS from the U.S. delivered in recent weeks. Howitzers from NATO countries and the U.S. multiple rocket launcher HIMARS have been delivered by the dozens. Kiev received older systems, such as the U.S. M113 armored personnel carrier, by the hundreds.

"The critical point with Western weapons is a system of maintenance, repair and supply," says Ukrainian military expert Serhij Hrabskyj. "It is much more extensive than the weapons use itself." That appears to be one of the reasons why the retooling is happening more slowly than Kiev would like. Structures are being built to maintain Western technology not in Ukraine itself, but in neighboring NATO countries.

Another "problem with Western warfare equipment is the fact that there are several types of the same weapons - American, British, French, German, Swedish," Hrabskyj says. The standard is the same, he says, but there are differences in maintenance. Markus Reisner, a colonel with the Austrian General Staff Service, also confirms this. "The Ukrainians have so far managed to handle the delivered systems in a very sensible way. The challenge is logistics: you have a whole butterfly collection of different weapons systems," Reisner says. "There's the difficulty of getting the right ammunition to the right weapon; Ukraine is a huge country."

All of the weapons from the West have one thing in common - they are short-range systems whose operational range is a few dozen kilometers. Kiev wants to receive long-range weapons, as well as Western aircraft and battle tanks. So far, this wish remains unfulfilled.

Most of the Ukrainian weapons consist of Soviet war technology, supplied mainly from Eastern and Central Europe - also because there are the logistics for it, military experts told DW. According to Serhij Hrabskyj, Ukraine's air force is made up exclusively of Soviet equipment, while its artillery is a mixture. The situation is similar with tanks and armored vehicles. There are exceptions, he said, but much of it is "de facto Soviet equipment."

The most recent example: in early November, the United States announced that, together with the Netherlands, it would deliver 90 modernized T-72 tanks from the Czech Republic to Ukraine. Earlier, Ukraine received hundreds of similar tanks from other countries, mainly Poland. Ammunition is also supplied. But the war is intense, the wear and tear great, as reports from the front confirm. "There is little technology, hardly any ammunition for Soviet caliber," Ukrainian filmmaker and soldier Oleh Senzov wrote on Facebook in early August about his deployment to Bachmut in eastern Ukraine. "NATO systems are better, but there are not enough of them."

Could a critical moment soon come for Ukraine when Soviet stocks are getting thinner and Western supplies cannot yet replace them? There is a discussion about it in social networks, there are no official data, because this information is secret. "One bottleneck has been very observable, which was heavy anti-aircraft missiles for the Buk-M1 and S-300 systems," says Gustav Gressel, a military expert at the Berlin-based European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR). "When the Russians have attacked with cruise missiles or the like, Ukraine has shot down only two, three out of eight or 10 missiles, simply because they have hardly any ammunition." Since the delivery of the IRIS-T and NASAMS air defense systems, Ukraine has been able to shoot down significantly more, he said. Recently, some NATO countries decided to supply Ukraine with older air defense systems as well, such as the U.S. HAWK.

Another sensitive question is how long Soviet munitions will last. Ukrainian stocks were already reduced before the war by a series of explosions at ammunition depots that were classified as sabotage. There is "not really much" Soviet weaponry left in Eastern Europe, Gressel says. "It depends on what you're talking about, but we're relatively through." However, weapons factories in some Eastern European countries can produce ammunition for Soviet guns, for example, even if they can't produce the guns themselves. But in many cases that is not the case: there is less and less ammunition for Soviet "Strela" and "Osa" anti-aircraft systems, which Kiev has also received from Eastern Europe, Gressel said.

Gressel calls Kiev's desire to switch completely to Western systems "a good and justified demand." This process could move faster if some countries, which the expert counts Germany among, would make political decisions more quickly.

Serhij Hrabsky finds it "uncritical" at the moment, should there be shortages of Soviet weapons stockpiles in Ukraine. "Who is the biggest arms supplier to Ukraine? Russia," the expert says of captured war technology. According to the Ukrainian edition of Forbes magazine, there is more captured technology in Ukraine than supplied by leading Western countries. By the end of September, Ukraine had captured about 400 Russian battle tanks and about 700 infantry fighting vehicles, he said. However, most of them were old models.
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[Jimbuna]

Russia is under strong pressure in Ukraine, - Stoltenberg

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has said that Russia is under intense pressure in Ukraine after Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu ordered his troops to "withdraw" from Kherson.

This is reported by Censor.NET with a link to LIGA.net.

"It is obvious that Russia will be under a lot of pressure, and if they leave Kherson, it will be another victory for Ukraine," the Secretary General of the Alliance emphasized. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379631

Russia took one missile carrier with 8 Kalibr missiles into Black Sea - Navy of Armed Forces of Ukraine

Up to 14 enemy ships are on combat duty in the Black Sea, including one Kalibr cruise missile carrier, with a total salvo of 8 missiles.

This was reported by the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Censor.NET informs.

As of November 10, 2022:

in the Black Sea, up to 14 enemy ships are on combat duty, including 1 Kalibr cruise missile carrier, a total salvo of 8 missiles;
in the Sea of Azov, the enemy continues to control sea communications, keeping up to 1 ship on combat duty;
in the Mediterranean Sea - 10 enemy ships, 5 of them carrying Kalibr cruise missiles, total salvo - 76 missiles. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379610

[Jimbuna]

Zelensky and Sunak discussed Kherson: We must be careful until Ukrainian flag is raised over city (updated)

President Volodymyr Zelensky had a telephone conversation with the Prime Minister of Great Britain Rishi Sunak.

The head of state announced this on Twitter, Censor.NET informs.

"Had a telephone conversation with the Prime Minister of Great Britain Rishi Sunak. They discussed multifaceted defense support for Ukraine and help with the winter period. They supported the continuation of the "grain initiative" and agreed on positions on the eve of important international events," the message reads.

At the same time, the British Prime Minister's office reported that the parties discussed the Russian Federation's statements about withdrawing from Kherson and the issue of Britain's support for Ukraine.

"The leaders agreed that any withdrawal of Russian troops from the occupied city of Kherson would demonstrate significant progress by Ukrainian forces and confirm the weakness of the Russian military offensive, but it would be correct to continue to exercise caution until the Ukrainian flag is raised over the city," the message said.

The British Prime Minister praised the bravery of the Ukrainian armed forces and confirmed the unwavering military, economic and political support of Great Britain. Sunak confirmed that the UK would continue to provide further military aid, including a further 1,000 surface-to-air missiles and more than 25,000 winter kits for troops meant for the extremely cold winter. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379654

[Jimbuna]

Ruscists almost completely destroyed village of Potemkine in Kherson region: there is not a single surviving house and the infrastructure was destroyed

Russian invaders almost completely destroyed the village of Potemkine in the Kherson region.

This was announced by the head of RMA Yaroslav Yanushevich, Censor.NET reports.

"During a visit to Visokopyll, one of the residents of the village of Potemkyne invited her to visit their settlement, and she could not refuse. The situation in the settlement is difficult. After the occupation, there were almost no people left in the village, although there were 380 people living here. There is not a single surviving hut, the enemies destroyed almost the entire infrastructure. 34 children were brought up and studied at the Potemkin educational institution, now they can no longer visit their school and kindergarten, because the Russians destroyed them," the message reads.

According to the head of RMA, despite all the destruction, people are gradually returning and starting to rebuild their homes. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379661

[Jimbuna]

Netherlands will allocate €100 million to military fund for Ukraine

The Netherlands plans to contribute 100 million euros to the newly created International Fund for Ukraine (IFU) to finance the purchase of military equipment for the needs of the Armed Forces.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press release of the Ministry of Defense of the Netherlands.

The Ministry of Defense of the Netherlands emphasized that the funds of the IFU fund, which also includes Great Britain, Denmark and Norway, will be used to purchase equipment directly from manufacturers to ensure its transfer to Ukraine as soon as possible, and this approach will allow optimal use of the available budget.

The first industrial IFU contracts are expected to be awarded by the end of this year. The first deliveries to Ukraine are expected in the first half of next year.

The fund enables participating countries to continue providing military support to Ukraine in the long term. It offers participants an additional method of providing support without compromising their own combat readiness and deployability.

Currently, the creation of the fund is at the final stage - its participants, together with Ukraine, are developing a draft framework agreement that will specify who is responsible for what and how the fund works.

Bids may also be submitted by parties from non-contributing countries. The government of the country where the relevant manufacturer is located must guarantee the reliability of the manufacturer. The same government is also responsible for the necessary export licenses.

As reported, the Netherlands also plans to send 50 to 100 military personnel to participate in the EU mission to train the Ukrainian military. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379687

[Jimbuna]

US has data that Russia is preparing to test torpedo with nuclear charge, - media outlets

The United States has been monitoring Russian naval vessels in recent weeks preparing for a possible test of a new nuclear-tipped torpedo.

As Censor.NET reports with reference to European Truth, a high-ranking American official told CNN about this on condition of anonymity.

According to the US, among the ships that participated in the preparation of the nuclear test was the Belgorod cruise missile submarine, capable of launching unmanned underwater vehicles, including the Poseidon torpedo.

During the last week, the United States recorded the departure of Russian ships from the test site in the Arctic Sea and their return to the port without conducting tests. American intelligence believes that this may indicate the technical difficulties of the Russians.

"This can be seen as part of the bigger picture and the recent military practice of Russia, which has sent ill-trained and under-equipped troops into Ukraine. Russia's military industry is going through difficult times, and we also see that Western sanctions on high-tech military goods are having an effect and should be continued ", according to a CNN source.

The United States believes that Russia may repeat the attempt to test the torpedo, but notes that the waters in the area will soon begin to be covered with ice, which will limit the time window for such an operation.

The Poseidon torpedo is a nuclear unmanned underwater vehicle capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear munitions. The nuclear power plant gives "Poseidon" an almost unlimited flight range. American officials previously indicated that the main purpose of "Poseidon" is to cause a large-scale nuclear tsunami designed to flood and irradiate US coastal cities.

The development of "Poseidon" lasted for years with skeptical assessments of NATO officials. It is believed that some tests were carried out as early as 2015, but there were never any launches from Belgorod. In early October, NATO intelligence, according to the media, warned the Allies about a possible test of a super torpedo.

As you know, after the announcement of partial mobilization in the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin once again threatened Western countries with the use of nuclear weapons. Western leaders have condemned Putin's nuclear rhetoric, calling it a dangerous escalation and "gun rattling." Source: https://censor.net/en/n3379679

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by les green01

i read the one bridge was knock down since they like giving ukraine equipment they should be able to swim it

Besides the pontoon bridges they use ferries 8 in total they use civilian crossing as shield for their military crossing. Wonder how they get or will get their heavy material on the other side.

[Dargo]

It is credible that the Russian army is leaving Kherson; it is not a trap.
It is difficult for the Russians to disguise the fact that their units around Kherson are less deployable, they have run out of supplies and are not being resupplied either. In addition, the Russians have been retreating for some time, including scarce units like artillery. You don't do that if you want to trap the enemy. Withdrawal is a logical decision, at Kherson the Russian army has the Dnipro River at its back. Controlling river crossings in combat situations is among the most difficult military operations in existence. Different units must cross each other, which requires a lot of coordination. Bridges are very vulnerable to attacks by the other army. And meanwhile, you have to fight fiercely to keep the enemy at bay.

Therefore, I think the Russians have chosen eggs for their money and want to avoid further losses. Because of the Dnipro river they were trapped here, so to speak, but you have to look at the broader picture. The Russians would have liked to take over other areas of Ukraine through Kherson, but the Donbas remains their top priority. I think they are releasing these troops so that they can properly protect that area. After the retreat, the Dnieper forms an outstanding natural barrier hundreds of meters wide, which is also difficult for Ukraine to cross.

Ukraine advances in Kherson and stands 15 kilometers from city outskirts.

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Wonder how they get or will get their heavy material on the other side.

They could try to sell it to Ukraine as "second hand, used", this time making a little money with it. So far they have given away much of it for free.