On the recent two crashes of Boeings 737 Max - Page 7

Skybird · 12-17-19, 12:51 PM

They ran out of parking lots. 400 new 737 max planes are parked on Boeing grounds. Its a cash-flow problem, what Boeing is parkign here is not just 400 planes, but also 50 billion coins. The 737 series represents almost half of the yearly value that Boeing is selling per year, and represwnets 70% of its civilian aeronautical selling value. This money now is not coming in, with a certiifcation not expected before sporing next year - at the earliest, many airlines say they will do their own certtzifdicatiosn newly introduced just due to the Boeing desaster. Billions in unknown value have been put aside by Boeing for recourse claims by carriers. The damage for subcontractors and producers of sub-components so far cannot even be fully calculated. The mess of course has full effects in the Dow Jones bilance and affects the whole US economy.

This costs Boeing dearly -and rightly so. The decision makers at Boeing responsible for handling the messy ways of the 737 max project, should go to trial - for gross negligence with multiple death results. For the second crash the accusal is to be raised to multiple slaughter, if not murder. Those responsible at the FAA for it not doing its job properly: the same.

Skybird · 01-10-20, 06:41 AM

Boeing now is ready to declare simulator retraining for 737max pilots "mandatory", somethign they fought against until now. Meanwhile Boeing worker says the plane "was designed by clowns".

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929

Skybird · 02-02-20, 07:58 AM

The show goes on.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bo...max-2020-01-31

From earlier last year: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...7-max-troubles

Buddahaid · 02-02-20, 11:03 AM

While their main competition pays out corruption charges.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51277946

Skybird · 02-02-20, 11:14 AM

^ Of which the WTO court already found Boeing guilty of as well. Just the penalty sum it has to pay has not yet been decided on.

"Together we betray, together we pay." - Thats true friendship!

Jimbuna · 02-02-20, 11:33 AM

I'm confident the countries will have no objection to the cash injection.

Skybird · 02-07-20, 04:28 PM

Another project, but again one that riogns Boeing into troiubled waters and costs immense money, hundreds of millions at least for a repeating of the last starliner test flight. And the problem seems to be of a similiar structural nature like in case with the 737: messed up internal quality control procedures due to financial cuts.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/06/na...arliner-issue/

Skybird · 02-19-20, 05:03 AM

And more good news....

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51499777

Pearls lined up on a string, thats how the good news for Boeing must be thought of, it seems.

Jimbuna · 02-19-20, 03:30 PM

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The head of Boeing's 737 programme has told employees that the discovery was "absolutely unacceptable".

A bit of an understatement.

Mr Quatro · 02-19-20, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skybirds post

The US plane maker said it discovered so-called "Foreign Object Debris" left inside the wing fuel tanks of several undelivered 737 Maxs.

Wow! We trust them for a lot of military items and Airforce One too ...

Rufus Shinra · 02-20-20, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Wow! We trust them for a lot of military items and Airforce One too ...

IIRC, the tankers delivered to the USAF had a number of foreign objects found near wiring inside the hulls, and their performance is kinda subpar...

Mr Quatro · 06-10-20, 12:37 PM

I hope Boeing can make a come back for it's workers

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...rs/ar-BB15fTUJ

Boeing Order Cancellations Overwhelming Its Over New Orders

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Perhaps the only good news about the report, and perhaps somewhat unsurprising, is that Boeing has been able to sell cargo planes.

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Boeing's stock price doubled in only about three weeks

Skybird · 09-16-20, 06:05 PM

Congress repport slams Boeing over 737 Max desasters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oeing-n1240192

https://www.today.com/video/new-repo...ax-91871813707

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54174223

That and Corona together already have costed Boeing several hundred orders. I am looking forward to see that number growing. More trouble lay ahead when the WTO court will finally annoucne the punishment for Boeing, which will give Airbus a retaliation opportunity.

What should both players learn from it? Compete - but play fair. And have security at the very, very, very top of your list with priorities. Boeing obviously has pushed security to the very, very, very bottom of its priorities.

Do I think they will? Hell, not one second.

Mr Quatro · 09-16-20, 08:20 PM

Plus Boeing changed the name to hide the shame

https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...rebrand-2020-8

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For the first time, Boeing dropped the "Max" branding when referring to the specific plane variant, simply calling it the "737-8," rather than the "737 Max 8," the name that the planemaker has used since the aircraft entered service in 2017. It described the plane as belonging to the "737 Max" family of aircraft, differentiating it from the 737-800, which belongs to the 737 Next Generation family, the Max's predecessor.

Boeing has 450 planes stored of the 737 Max aircraft that Boeing has in its inventory

Buddahaid · 09-16-20, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Congress repport slams Boeing over 737 Max desasters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oeing-n1240192

https://www.today.com/video/new-repo...ax-91871813707

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54174223

That and Corona together already have costed Boeing several hundred orders. I am looking forward to see that number growing. More trouble lay ahead when the WTO court will finally annoucne the punishment for Boeing, which will give Airbus a retaliation opportunity.

What should both players learn from it? Compete - but play fair. And have security at the very, very, very top of your list with priorities. Boeing obviously has pushed security to the very, very, very bottom of its priorities.

Do I think they will? Hell, not one second.

Of course, 2020 hindsight is always brilliant. I doubt Airbus has been any better than need be, they just didn't get hung out and I still think more blame needs to be on the Boeing customers for not training to the standard Boeing published. Shame on Boeing for not realizing their system of price/training levels would lead to so many air disasters but their system was published. Shame on the airlines for not exploring the increased training needs.

12-17-19, 12:51 PM	#91
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	They ran out of parking lots. 400 new 737 max planes are parked on Boeing grounds. Its a cash-flow problem, what Boeing is parkign here is not just 400 planes, but also 50 billion coins. The 737 series represents almost half of the yearly value that Boeing is selling per year, and represwnets 70% of its civilian aeronautical selling value. This money now is not coming in, with a certiifcation not expected before sporing next year - at the earliest, many airlines say they will do their own certtzifdicatiosn newly introduced just due to the Boeing desaster. Billions in unknown value have been put aside by Boeing for recourse claims by carriers. The damage for subcontractors and producers of sub-components so far cannot even be fully calculated. The mess of course has full effects in the Dow Jones bilance and affects the whole US economy. This costs Boeing dearly -and rightly so. The decision makers at Boeing responsible for handling the messy ways of the 737 max project, should go to trial - for gross negligence with multiple death results. For the second crash the accusal is to be raised to multiple slaughter, if not murder. Those responsible at the FAA for it not doing its job properly: the same. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-10-20, 06:41 AM	#92
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Boeing now is ready to declare simulator retraining for 737max pilots "mandatory", somethign they fought against until now. Meanwhile Boeing worker says the plane "was designed by clowns". https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-02-20, 07:58 AM	#93
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The show goes on. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bo...max-2020-01-31 From earlier last year: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...7-max-troubles __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-02-20, 11:03 AM	#94
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	While their main competition pays out corruption charges. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51277946 __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

02-02-20, 11:14 AM	#95
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	^ Of which the WTO court already found Boeing guilty of as well. Just the penalty sum it has to pay has not yet been decided on. "Together we betray, together we pay." - Thats true friendship! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-02-20, 11:33 AM	#96
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,284 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm confident the countries will have no objection to the cash injection. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

02-07-20, 04:28 PM	#97
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Another project, but again one that riogns Boeing into troiubled waters and costs immense money, hundreds of millions at least for a repeating of the last starliner test flight. And the problem seems to be of a similiar structural nature like in case with the 737: messed up internal quality control procedures due to financial cuts. https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/06/na...arliner-issue/ __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-19-20, 05:03 AM	#98
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	And more good news.... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51499777 Pearls lined up on a string, thats how the good news for Boeing must be thought of, it seems. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-16-20, 06:05 PM	#103
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,517 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Congress repport slams Boeing over 737 Max desasters. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oeing-n1240192 https://www.today.com/video/new-repo...ax-91871813707 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54174223 That and Corona together already have costed Boeing several hundred orders. I am looking forward to see that number growing. More trouble lay ahead when the WTO court will finally annoucne the punishment for Boeing, which will give Airbus a retaliation opportunity. What should both players learn from it? Compete - but play fair. And have security at the very, very, very top of your list with priorities. Boeing obviously has pushed security to the very, very, very bottom of its priorities. Do I think they will? Hell, not one second. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.