US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Buddahaid]

Did Bobert just forget it was her favorite President that negotiated the Afganistan withdrawel? "...Surrendering to ISIS and fleeing Afghanistan is embarrassing....."

I give McCarthy a week.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Did Bobert just forget it was her favorite President that negotiated the Afganistan withdrawel? "...Surrendering to ISIS and fleeing Afghanistan is embarrassing....."

I give McCarthy a week.

Might help if you offer the difference (yes there was a difference, or so said Chris Miller) between what was negotiated by the Trump admin and what Biden did with it.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/20...f-says/184660/

Btw, your predictions have been wrong since 20 January 2017.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Might help if you offer the difference (yes there was a difference, or so said Chris Miller) between what was negotiated by the Trump admin and what Biden did with it.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/20...f-says/184660/

Btw, your predictions have been wrong since 20 January 2017.

I didn't know you cared.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This play will still cause great problems for the USA. It was not the first act, certainly not the whole play, but only the prelude. The Republican party has de facto become a group that has disintegrated into two parts, one of which can only be described as a sect - and this sect is leaving its mark on the rest. Even Trump himself is no more than a figurehead, who no longer owns the party, but just happens to be mounted at the bow of the ship, looking at the direction the helmsman is pointing the ship at. The revolution eats its children. Welcome to the post-Trumpian era. Thins will beocme worse.
And I predicted already years ago that they would get worse even when Trump one day would be gone. His effect outlasts his presence, and irreversibly. The sect no longer depends on its founding messiah. Its time for him to go to heaven. The transfiguration serves his successor's agendas only, no longer himself.

So your whole argument is the Republcians are evil, because you say so. Not one example, not one fact, just word salad and hate filled wishful thinking. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

So your whole argument is the Republcians are evil, because you say so. Not one example, not one fact, just word salad and hate filled wishful thinking. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Most of them aren't just like Democrats, some of them are just like Democrats, but it's the extreme right faction currently holding the House hostage that I count among the evil. I don't find anything about them patriotic.

[les green01]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Did Bobert just forget it was her favorite President that negotiated the Afganistan withdrawel? "...Surrendering to ISIS and fleeing Afghanistan is embarrassing....."

I give McCarthy a week.

only people that can owned it is the bonehead and democrats they were in office when it took place they had months to come up with a plan and execute it instead they f it up and 11 of my brothers and sisters paid the price then he meets them at the airport and what does he do look at his watch not once but twice everything he and them touch they f it up for a man that said the buck stops here he tries and blame everyone else

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by les green01

only people that can owned it is the bonehead and democrats they were in office when it took place they had months to come up with a plan and execute it instead they f it up and 11 of my brothers and sisters paid the price then he meets them at the airport and what does he do look at his watch not once but twice everything he and them touch they f it up for a man that said the buck stops here he tries and blame everyone else

Your opinion, but it was Trump that fumbled first by setting a hard date for it and thereby giving away a position of power, while at the same time refusing to hand over transitional materials of the presidency forcing the Biden administration to play catch up.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Your opinion, but it was Trump that fumbled first by setting a hard date for it and thereby giving away a position of power, while at the same time refusing to hand over transitional materials of the presidency forcing the Biden administration to play catch up.

Your opinion as well but I feel that your premise fails for two big reasons.

First, the transitional materials argument becomes invalid way back in mid January. There was plenty of time after he took office to absorb whatever they may have contained.

Second, the so called "hard date" was May 1st but Biden was able to and did extend it to the end of August. Not that hard of a date apparently.

Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31, despite obvious signs that the Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/ti...m-afghanistan/

Bottom line is that Biden and Co had plenty of time to examine Trumps plan and they had the ability to modify it and (did) delay it's implementation. Blaming Trump for their incompetence just doesn't cut it.

[Rockstar]

Yes, dates were set and dates were changed but according to then acting SECDEF there was never any intention to completely abandon Afghanistan. Biden took office and he did what nobody expected, he abruptly and completely abandoned Afghanistan. Which may also explain how the massive stockpile of military hardware was left to the Taliban. Democrats left weapons and ammo to religious extremists. Democrats lied people die.

Miller said the president’s public promise to finish withdrawing U.S. forces by May 1, as negotiated with the Taliban, was actually a “play” that masked the Trump administration’s true intentions: to convince Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to quit or accept a bitter power-sharing agreement with the Taliban, and to keep some U.S. troops in Afghanistan for counterrorism missions.

Keep in mind, we've also been told we pulled out of Iraq and Syria too. Yet we still have troops in those areas for the exact same reasons Miller stated they wanted some to remain in Afghanistan.

[August]

It was such an obvious outcome that you have to wonder why they allowed it happen. Maybe they figured Trump would get the blame?

On another note it seems that Mr. Biden keeps unauthorized classified documents too. They just found a bunch of secret files that he'd kept from his VP days stored in some office filing cabinet.

...classified documents discovered at the Penn Biden Center which were taken by now President Biden after his time as vice president, nearly six years ago.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...verplayed-hand

[Rockstar]

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., says Democrats "overplayed their hand" in the handling of the classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago in light of new revelations of classified documents discovered at the Penn Biden Center, which were taken by now-President Joe Biden after his time as vice president nearly six years ago.

Unfortunately, the Blue Anon conspiracy theorists a.k.a. the Democrat voter and certain Euros haven't figured it out yet. But once they do, they're gonna need therapy after six very long years of placing their whole being into the belief of all the accusations, conspiracy theories & drama.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

It was such an obvious outcome that you have to wonder why they allowed it happen. Maybe they figured Trump would get the blame?

On another note it seems that Mr. Biden keeps unauthorized classified documents too. They just found a bunch of secret files that he'd kept from his VP days stored in some office filing cabinet.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...verplayed-hand

Looks like they turned them in when they were found so no need for a search warrant, and besides, the trouble Trump is in over documents at his compound is outside of whether they are classified, or not, and always has been.

Oh look, the first item the new House goes after is the Ethics Committee.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Looks like they turned them in when they were found so no need for a search warrant, and besides, the trouble Trump is in over documents at his compound is outside of whether they are classified, or not, and always has been.

What? There's some double-speak right there. You yourself have claimed otherwise right here in this forum. As for their claim that they just found them one would have to take that with enough salt grains to drive up ones blood pressure. It still doesn't get by the fact that classified material was improperly stored and not returned like it was supposed to be. This stuff is at least, what 6 years old? Assuming it wasn't deliberate if this is an example of how The Big Guy handles classified documents then maybe the FBI and armed agents of the National Archives should toss his Delaware compound and see what else he has stashed away.

Oh look, the first item the new House goes after is the Ethics Committee.

Oooh "go after" sounds so terrible! What did the Evil Republicans corner the committee in a dark corner somewhere and beat them up for their lunch money or something? Tell us where the bad GoP man touched you...

Actually the first item was rolling back that $70 billion for the new division of IRS agents the Democrats want to use to "go after" the American people.

[ET2SN]

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Looks like they turned them in when they were found so no need for a search warrant, and besides, the trouble Trump is in over documents at his compound is outside of whether they are classified, or not, and always has been.

Oh look, the first item the new House goes after is the Ethics Committee.

After six or more years of laying around in the office and they were just found it? Makes me wonder how many times his crackhead son and his friends had access to that classified material.

At least NARA knew exactly what documents Trump had and knew exactly where they were secured at the Mar-Largo compound. The legal arguments over the documents between Trump lawyers and Government lawyers was no secret. Trump wanted to maintain ownership but the government won and said they belong to NARA. Trump complied, a lawyer was present when the safe was opened and read the search warrant issued. Search warrants proves neither guilt or innocence but protects the citizen’s right to privacy by defining what exactly those collecting the documents may look for and retrieve. I don’t doubt it was one of Trump's lawyers that demanded a search warrant be provided to prevent the FBI from ransacking the entire property.


The Trump documents event was just another example of Democrats chasing unicorns again. Another boondoggle tailor made for the Blue anon a.k.a. Democrat voter conspiracy theory true believers . You keep believing, the low hanging fruit will turn on Trump, Schiff will release all the evidence he has, any day now.