Wuhan virus 2020 - Page 553

Arlo · 08-30-21, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Pretending that taking a vaccine is some kind of patriotic altruism is crap. We took those covid shots to protect ourselves, not anyone else. That is just as selfishly indulgent as refusing to take it.

Projecting your core motivation for everything you do onto others does not make it true. It merely reflects who you really are. Even then, there are other (smarter) selfishly indulgent types out there who are more self aware and avoid such crass faux pas in public.

MaDef · 08-30-21, 08:15 AM

@Skybird, nothing in that wall of text indicates a change in the mortality rate of the virus, so what's your point?

Jimbuna · 08-30-21, 11:56 AM

Skybird · 08-30-21, 12:53 PM

Virologists and laboratory doctors at the university Lübeck give a first attempt to estimate values at what accumulation of antibody immunity against Covid-19 can be assumed to exist. The international unit for measuring antibodies, is BAU (Bindign Antibody Units). Based on general virus experiences, experiences with Corona and Covid-19 and empirical data from Covid19 patient records, they say a BAU belows 21.8 means you have no immunity against Covid 19, whereas a BAU above 44 indicates you have. A BAU of 1000 means they advise that you do not go for a third refreshign jab. They admit everything between 21.8 and 44 is a grey zone that slowly gets scouted and specified.

I read it as that even if you are above 44, say 50, your immunitiy nevertheless may be weak. The higher the better, I assume.

You can get your antibody levels tested, for example after you recovered, or got vaccinated. Ask your doctor, its a simple blood test, AFAIK.

Skybird · 08-30-21, 01:48 PM

Many people in South Africa are not vaccinated and are suspicious of the jab. This is what oyu get for that: a live mutation horror show.

They hit the red alarm button over a new varian of high concern that shows more mutations in its genome than any other earlier variant. This come at the risk of that maybe it is resistent against the existing vaccinations.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...342v1.full.pdf

Earlier this month the CEO of Pfizer said BionTech they can develope a new vaccine for any future variant within 90 days now. And then the game starts new from the starting block.

Catfish · 08-31-21, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Many people in South Africa are not vaccinated and are suspicious of the jab. This is what oyu get for that: a live mutation horror show.
They hit the red alarm button over a new variant of high concern that shows more mutations in its genome than any other earlier variant. This come at the risk of that maybe it is resistent against the existing vaccinations.

With the vaccination campaign having practically come to a standstill due to anti-vaccers here in Germany we will get a mutation wave here, too.

With appx. 60 percent vaccinated there is no immunity, on the contrary the virus will be able to exist on and morph.
People who have been infected and survived still have no protection against new variants.

What did society do with people getting the bubonic plague back then?
(Remember they had no chance or possibility of being vaccinated)
Isolate them.
"Oh no they take away my freedom!"
And? Screw you. You are making it worse for all.

3catcircus · 08-31-21, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

With the vaccination campaign having practically come to a standstill due to anti-vaccers here in Germany we will get a mutation wave here, too.

With appx. 60 percent vaccinated there is no immunity, on the contrary the virus will be able to exist on and morph.
People who have been infected and survived still have no protection against new variants.

What did society do with people getting the bubonic plague back then?
(Remember they had no chance or possibility of being vaccinated)
Isolate them.
"Oh no they take away my freedom!"
And? Screw you. You are making it worse for all.

You miss the point. They isolated the *sick*. Everyone else went about their business without being also isolated.

Catfish · 08-31-21, 07:11 AM

"In Germany, an epidemic law was raised that banned people caught in the bubonic plague from contact with their fellow human beings. Those who dared to do so were usually expelled from the city and chased out."
The sick ones of course, they had no means to tell wether someone was infected or not before the one showed symptoms. In the late stage when symptoms became visible, they often were not contagious anymore. So, too late anyway.
What do you think would have happened if they knew who was contagious? Care for their "freedom"?

So you can choose:
If you vaccinate no one, a lot will die and survivors will have a short time of immunity against the first variant.
If you vaccinate all very few will die, and the virus almost exterminated since there is no breeding ground, meaning also no mutations.
If you vaccinate only some the overall effect is that the virus mutates, since it is not being exterminated and it can reproduce.

Arlo · 08-31-21, 08:51 AM

Rockstar · 08-31-21, 09:17 AM

Covid-19 natural immunity compared to vaccine-induced immunity: The definitive summary

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/...itive-summary/

The vaccine immunity problem

Hard data counters widespread public misinformation that claimed “virtually all" patients hospitalized and dying of Covid-19 are unvaccinated. Pfizer and Moderna had claimed their vaccines were “100% effective” at preventing serious illness. Many in the media even popularized a propaganda phrase designed to push more people to get vaccinated: "pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

Not so, says CDC and other data.

Listen to podcast with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who addresses the strength of natural immunity

Recent CDC data found that 74% of those who tested positive for Covid-19 in a Massachusetts analysis had been fully-vaccinated. Equally as troubling for those advocating vaccination-for-all: four out of five people hospitalized with Covid were fully-vaccinated. And CDC said "viral load” — indicating how able the human host is to spread Covid-19 — is about the same among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Contrary to the infamous misinformation by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky last May, vaccinated people can— and are— spreading Covid. (CDC officials later corrected Walensky's false claim.)

Catfish · 08-31-21, 09:21 AM

Sharyl Attkisson.
Untouchable Subjects. Fearless, Nonpartisan Reporting.
Keep SharylAttkisson.com independent. Donate today.
Lmao.

Arlo · 08-31-21, 09:21 AM

mapuc · 08-31-21, 09:23 AM

According to a Swedish article a natural infection with corona and survive has 10 times(I think it was) better protection than they would have with a vaccine.

Markus

Rockstar · 08-31-21, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Sharyl Attkisson.
Untouchable Subjects. Fearless, Nonpartisan Reporting.
Lmao.

But no comment on the actual data presented in the article? Lmao

Rockstar · 08-31-21, 09:26 AM

This isn’t polio. Polio was eradicated with the help of better personal hygiene and sanitation systems.

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08-30-21, 12:53 PM	#8284
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,568 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Virologists and laboratory doctors at the university Lübeck give a first attempt to estimate values at what accumulation of antibody immunity against Covid-19 can be assumed to exist. The international unit for measuring antibodies, is BAU (Bindign Antibody Units). Based on general virus experiences, experiences with Corona and Covid-19 and empirical data from Covid19 patient records, they say a BAU belows 21.8 means you have no immunity against Covid 19, whereas a BAU above 44 indicates you have. A BAU of 1000 means they advise that you do not go for a third refreshign jab. They admit everything between 21.8 and 44 is a grey zone that slowly gets scouted and specified. I read it as that even if you are above 44, say 50, your immunitiy nevertheless may be weak. The higher the better, *I assume. You can get your antibody levels tested, for example after you recovered, or got vaccinated. Ask your doctor, its a simple blood test, AFAIK. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.*

08-30-21, 01:48 PM	#8285
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,568 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Many people in South Africa are not vaccinated and are suspicious of the jab. This is what oyu get for that: a live mutation horror show. They hit the red alarm button over a new varian of high concern that shows more mutations in its genome than any other earlier variant. This come at the risk of that maybe it is resistent against the existing vaccinations. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...342v1.full.pdf Earlier this month the CEO of Pfizer said BionTech they can develope a new vaccine for any future variant within 90 days now. And then the game starts new from the starting block. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-31-21, 07:11 AM	#8288
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,898 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"In Germany, an epidemic law was raised that banned people caught in the bubonic plague from contact with their fellow human beings. Those who dared to do so were usually expelled from the city and chased out." The sick ones of course, they had no means to tell wether someone was infected or not before the one showed symptoms. In the late stage when symptoms became visible, they often were not contagious anymore. So, too late anyway. What do you think would have happened if they knew who was contagious? Care for their "freedom"? So you can choose: If you vaccinate no one, a lot will die and survivors will have a short time of immunity against the first variant. If you vaccinate all very few will die, and the virus almost exterminated since there is no breeding ground, meaning also no mutations. If you vaccinate only some the overall effect is that the virus mutates, since it is not being exterminated and it can reproduce. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-31-21, 08:51 AM	#8289
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08-30-21, 08:15 AM	#8282
MaDef Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,046 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	@Skybird, nothing in that wall of text indicates a change in the mortality rate of the virus, so what's your point?

08-31-21, 09:17 AM	#8290
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,890 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Covid-19 natural immunity compared to vaccine-induced immunity: The definitive summary https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/...itive-summary/ The vaccine immunity problem Hard data counters widespread public misinformation that claimed “virtually all" patients hospitalized and dying of Covid-19 are unvaccinated. Pfizer and Moderna had claimed their vaccines were “100% effective” at preventing serious illness. Many in the media even popularized a propaganda phrase designed to push more people to get vaccinated: "pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Not so, says CDC and other data. Listen to podcast with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who addresses the strength of natural immunity Recent CDC data found that 74% of those who tested positive for Covid-19 in a Massachusetts analysis had been fully-vaccinated. Equally as troubling for those advocating vaccination-for-all: four out of five people hospitalized with Covid were fully-vaccinated. And CDC said "viral load” — indicating how able the human host is to spread Covid-19 — is about the same among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Contrary to the infamous misinformation by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky last May, vaccinated people can— and are— spreading Covid. (CDC officials later corrected Walensky's false claim.) __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

08-31-21, 09:21 AM	#8291
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,898 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Sharyl Attkisson. Untouchable Subjects. Fearless, Nonpartisan Reporting. Keep SharylAttkisson.com independent. Donate today. Lmao. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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08-31-21, 09:23 AM	#8293
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,964 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	According to a Swedish article a natural infection with corona and survive has 10 times(I think it was) better protection than they would have with a vaccine. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-31-21, 09:26 AM	#8295
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,890 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	This isn’t polio. Polio was eradicated with the help of better personal hygiene and sanitation systems. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.