LSH 2020: install looking for existing copy SH3.EXE issue

[Onkel Neal]

Thanks, Dan. I sent a message to Ubisoft's Intnl. Marketing Director to see if they object.

[elanaiba]

To Ronald? He's a good guy

[Jimbuna]

Hi Dan, long time no see.

Appreciate the input my friend and those two girls are coming along nicely

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

What is the best solution? I would argue that having the installer check for any version of sh3.exe before proceeding is the best solution and the most admirable one. If it can be done.

Neal

Agree.
AND checking for an SH3.exe can and has been done.
GWX 3.0 does just that.
Can We detect a Pirated version? No.

Now We could do an installer that will not work if the Reloaded crack is installed or it still contains StarFarce or is in anyway different from say the later releases without StarFarce.

Now having said that? IF Neal gets a reply that says Ubi don't give a darn on this question?
I'm wondering if they would be open to the original Dev's being released from NDA's to open up on things?

[Eremit]

The RELOADED crack mentioned here is recommended by UBIOFT!
See the link in this post.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...81&postcount=1

[Jeff-Groves]

Yes they recommend it but show me where they say Pirate the base files.

[Kal_Maximus_U669]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Agree.
AND checking for an SH3.exe can and has been done.
GWX 3.0 does just that.
Can We detect a Pirated version? No.

Now We could do an installer that will not work if the Reloaded crack is installed or it still contains StarFarce or is in anyway different from say the later releases without StarFarce.

Now having said that? IF Neal gets a reply that says Ubi don't give a darn on this question?
I'm wondering if they would be open to the original Dev's being released from NDA's to open up on things?

yes Jeff you are right ... yes tell me big "Guru" Neal I think you should exercise your magic power Here ... maybe you would know how to charm you Ubi everyone here believes in your power No? (Liberer code source SvP..)

Eremit to reason I have already seen this in the past ...

[Urmel]

Hello esteemed submarine friends

Thank you for this refreshingly open debate and the many constructive opinions from all camps!

For the last remaining SH3 fans - but also for many new SH3 players - this discussion and subsequent decisions are elementarily important.

I think it is important for all SH3 programmers, modders and designers to know that it still makes sense to invest valuable private time in SH3 in 2021 to keep our valuable game alive.

Topic SH3.EXE / Copyrights:

The last "officially valid original SH3.EXE - Version 1.4b - without Starforce protection!" file was published by UBI itself already in September 2005.
It is part of the last recommended UBI SH3 update packages "EMEA-DVD", "EMEA-DL", "US-DVD", "US-DL".
These original UBI files can still be downloaded today at: https://www.silenthunteriii.com/uk/updates.php.
Further information from UBI Forum Manager "kleaneasy" here: https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthrea...D-Drive-Forums

From this update package only five files (Sh3.exe, MISSIONENGINE.DLL, SIMDATA.DLL, UTILS.DLL & STATEMACHINE.DLL) are relevant for the game to work.
These five files were also published separately under the name "Silent Hunter 3 v1.4b [ENGLISH] No-DVD/Fixed EXE - RELOADED" - "tolerated" by UBI until today - at GameCopyWorld

Conclusion: There is no doubt about the free availability and worldwide legal use of these files for free SH3 modding projects today - objectively seen = THE USE IS LEGAL - already since 2006!

I repeat here our LSH3-Statement Edition 2020 on the subject of UBI:

To install the free supermod "LSH3-Edition-2020", a valid license from Ubisoft© for the original game "Silent Hunter III ©" is mandatory!
The LSH3 team distances itself explicitly from illegally acquired game licenses and/or pirated copies!

This is a small excerpt from our "LSH3-EDITION-2020-INSTALLATION_EN.PDF".
https://www.lsh3.com/v20/dl/LSH3-EDI...LLATION_EN.pdf

I recommend all SH3 professionals to also read the following pages here:

- Pages 3 and 4 "Preface - information to better understand the "old" game today".
- Page 18 "Contacts - list of SH3 contacts still available today".
- Page 19 "Epilogue - Acknowledgements to the SH3 Community".

For me personally it is very important that also here in SUBSIM the vision and ideology of LSH3 can be understood and hopefully accepted.


Topic Hosting at SUBSIM:

Since 2007 we/LSH3 have been hosting our free original LSH3 files ourselves.
This way we ensure that our original LSH3 files always remain "free" - freely available to the whole world.
This way we also keep control that there will only be genuine and verified LSH3 files available at www.lsh3.com.
(My LSH3 server is located in Europe>Switzerland>Basel. We are not subject to US or EU DRM for the time being).

Friends, long story short:

Let's finally end the tiresome topic of "SH3.EXE" after 15 years!
Neal, I am looking forward to your answer from UBI and especially to your final decision regarding SUBSIM.

Even if we/the LSH3 team are still relatively unknown at SUBSIM:
Let's become friends and let's work together - because we are the last SH3 gurus worldwide.
Also our SH3 winter is approaching!

With love and respect
LSH3-Urmel / Ariel




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[Jeff-Groves]

Ariel,

The SH3.exe is not the issue.
The issue is that LSH contains all the basic files to run SH3.
No other install is needed.

I understand we have a translation problem and I regret that.
Hopefully someone can assist us with the translation problem.

Regards Mate!

[Urmel]

Hello submarine friends

Thank you very much for your interest in Supermod "LSH3 Edition 2020". The German and Swiss LSH3 team is overwhelmed by your interest.

Here is the "LSH3-2020 Changelog" (by BLUEDUCK, 2020.01.11)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


LSH3-2020 Changelog

Outgame - Installation
Completely redesigned installer for a user-friendly installation of LSH3-2020
LSH3-2020 MODARCHIVE MANAGER developed to copy archived mods to the MODS folder and start JSGME
Installation manual redesigned with detailed instructions for setting up the graphics cards (NVIDIA/AMD)

Ingame
TychoSh3Patch_v3 the WS-MAP-MOD by Tycho
Hands look better by Anvart
Dazzle-Fix for the interior of the Type VII and 18 ships - double bug fixed
Australia-Fix implemented (Perth, Freemantle at correct position, starting point of RandomConvoys relocated)
More wounded less dead by h.sie integrated into the _LSH3-2020___Patch_HSIE-V16B1

Reconstruction of the OLC-GUI here moving the TDC and many small changes to the GUIs
Changes to messages_xx.txt, basic.cfg, conning_barracks_xx.cfg because of snorkel and exchange of two towers
Lighthouse Holtenau rotated and repositioned, swing bridge Rendsburg moved to historically correct position
Sonar fix for type VIIC/42 and type IXD2 installed (message sonar destroyed after loading in the comamnd room)
Missing LOG-files for 4 submarines in the museum created, all AI-boats in the museum highlighted with red font
Roster for small nations extended to have a larger selection of ships for historically correct single and multiplayer missions

Complete overhaul of single and multiplayer missions especially in English completely retranslated

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We will continue to work for SH3!

Urmel

[Urmel]

Dear Jeff

Unfortunately, we have not been able to meet live in SKYPE until today.
But we will make up for it.

I think the whole topic here around SH3.EXE is obsolete.

As mentioned, the SH3.EXE is since 2006 by UBI "given free", for any application, so also for modding.

We should concentrate here on the ingenious work of HSIE/STIEBLER/TYCHO.

From my point of view it is about patching the SH3.EXE one more time.

The old SH3 limit of SH3.EXE (window mode>normal mode) should be patched again to 1920 pixels +X!

This would possibly solve all SH3 GUI problems under W10!

Who is here able to take the SH3.EXE apart, edit it, and compile it again?

Greetings, U

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[ericlea]

[Urmel]

Dear Jeff/Privateer

A good live conversation via SKYPE about a future cooperation would be great.

Until then, I have to report on the following points on the subject of "SH3.EXE" which may still be misunderstood here.

1. the free use of the file "SH3.EXE v.1.4b without SF" (or the file package) has been permitted worldwide since December 2005 and accepted by UBI.
2. since then, the use of the files for SH3 modding is free as well
3. the ingenious freeware patches from HSIE/STIEBLER/TYCHO are all based on the "SH3.EXE v.1.4b without SF".
4. ALL SH3 patches from HSIE/STIEBLER/TYCHO available today are therefore legal, even for further use!

It seems important to me that here in SUBSIM ALL users can now understand and accept these facts about "SH3.EXE" and further usage

The use of "SH3.EXE" by SH3 modders to further patch it has never been wrong or even punishable.

So let's solve the last big SH3 issue "SH3.EXE > 1920x1200px" together by means of a patch!

Who can contribute something to this?

Thank you Sir and best regards from Basel


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[ericlea]

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by Urmel

Dear Jeff/Privateer

A good live conversation via SKYPE about a future cooperation would be great.

Until then, I have to report on the following points on the subject of "SH3.EXE" which may still be misunderstood here.

1. the free use of the file "SH3.EXE v.1.4b without SF" (or the file package) has been permitted worldwide since December 2005 and accepted by UBI.
2. since then, the use of the files for SH3 modding is free as well
3. the ingenious freeware patches from HSIE/STIEBLER/TYCHO are all based on the "SH3.EXE v.1.4b without SF".
4. ALL SH3 patches from HSIE/STIEBLER/TYCHO available today are therefore legal, even for further use!

It seems important to me that here in SUBSIM ALL users can now understand and accept these facts about "SH3.EXE" and further usage

The use of "SH3.EXE" by SH3 modders to further patch it has never been wrong or even punishable.

So let's solve the last big SH3 issue "SH3.EXE > 1920x1200px" together by means of a patch!

Who can contribute something to this?

Thank you Sir and best regards from Basel


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Fwiw regarding the H.sie/Stiebler/Tycho patches true, but as is known they don't provide the .exe file itself. The user must provide that.
Anyway, best of luck with a successful outcome !