[TEC] Uboat Torpedo Loadout fix

lurker_hlb3 · 08-01-08, 06:46 PM

Torpedo Load out problem for U-boats

The lions share of the credit for this fix goes to elanaiba, without who’s help I would not have been able to correct this problem.

To ensure that torpedoes selected at the start of a career or when rearming at home port, a specific set of entries from the NSS_UboatX.sim file must be entered in the NSS_UboatX.upcge file. If the entries “do not match exactly”, SH4 will default to torpedo that’s in the NSS_UboatX.sim.

In figure 1, we have the NSS_UboatX.sim file for a Type VIIC uboats. Please note the “NSS_Uboat7c_Door02_FRU_anim” marked with the red arrow. Now please note the red arrow in figure 2, the NSS_UboatX.upcge file for a Type VIIC. This is the ExternalObjectName3D file name the NSS_UboatX.upcge keys off to loaded the select weapon. If the files names fail to match then the system will default to the torpedo select in the NSS_UboatX.sim ( blue arrow in figure 1 )

Fig 1

Fig 2

Xantrokoles · 08-02-08, 05:36 AM

I can imagine, that the devs wanted to set all torpedoes basicly in the NSS_UboatXX.sim file. But then they changed the primary setting into the .upc file.

Orion2012 · 08-02-08, 01:13 PM

Glad to see someone knew what was going on. I personally looked a lot, and never would have found that.

ZeeWolf · 08-02-08, 02:30 PM

That is fantastic elanaiba!
Note however "NSS_Uboatxx_Door02_Bx_anim" is for the rear tubes
and the "NSS_Uboatxx_Door02_Fxx_anim" is for the front

elanaiba · 08-04-08, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

I can imagine, that the devs wanted to set all torpedoes basicly in the NSS_UboatXX.sim file. But then they changed the primary setting into the .upc file.

SH4 was meant to put all in the power in the UPC files (I luv easily moded games), but in the end we didn't have time/resources for the whole of it.

Anyway, glad to see it sorted, its bad when some technology gets in the way of good intentions.

LukeFF · 08-04-08, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

SH4 was meant to put all in the power in the UPC files (I luv easily moded games), but in the end we didn't have time/resources for the whole of it.

Anyway, glad to see it sorted, its bad when some technology gets in the way of good intentions.

Dan,

On the subject of these torpedo fixes, is there any workaround/fix for the problem of Mark 14s being loaded in the S boats at the start of a new patrol? I've edited the SIM files like lurker has up above, setting it to the Mark 10, but the game will still load Mark 14s in any empty slots when returning to port (even though nothing has been changed in the UPC files to allow the Mark 14 to be loaded in the S boats).

elanaiba · 08-06-08, 07:41 AM

Luke,

I've discussed this with programming and I don't think there's any solution available for you. This is just one of those "unfinished businesses" where the game was supposed to check some stuff - as in - does the torpedo work on this boat? - but didn't.

At the moment the game just checks for the first torpedo available that costs 0 renown.

Possible solutions - none perfect:

- Put the Mark 10 before the Mark 14 in the Ammunition.upc file. This solves the problem but creates it for all other submarines - they'll get the Mark 10 as reload.
- Make the Mark 14 cost something - same result for other boats. If you put a cost (1 renown) to all torpedoes, there will be no more auto-reloads in port.

ivank · 08-06-08, 01:30 PM

im trying to mod the HK Atlantis giving in 8 Fwd tubes and 2 aft(for mines) how do i do this?

swdw · 08-06-08, 06:28 PM

Actually, I kinda like the make all torpedoes cost 1 renown

LukeFF · 08-06-08, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Possible solutions - none perfect:

- Put the Mark 10 before the Mark 14 in the Ammunition.upc file. This solves the problem but creates it for all other submarines - they'll get the Mark 10 as reload.
- Make the Mark 14 cost something - same result for other boats. If you put a cost (1 renown) to all torpedoes, there will be no more auto-reloads in port.

Thanks, Dan. I'll try those out. Option two sounds like a good one to me.

elanaiba · 08-07-08, 03:29 AM

One more thing... there seems to be another "bug" in the procedures so you must also make sure you change ALL

AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent= NULL, NULL, 0 entries to
AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent= NULL, NULL, 1 or something like the first of the cost entries for that torpedo

Otherwise you'll still get torpedoes, just tried it.

LukeFF · 08-08-08, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elanaiba

One more thing... there seems to be another "bug" in the procedures so you must also make sure you change ALL

AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent= NULL, NULL, 0 entries to
AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent= NULL, NULL, 1 or something like the first of the cost entries for that torpedo

Otherwise you'll still get torpedoes, just tried it.

Will try that. I tried the other suggestions you gave, and like you found out, it didn't work for me.

LukeFF · 08-08-08, 02:29 AM

Alright, that did it. Setting "AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent" to "NULL, NULL, 1" at least gives a workaround to the problem by not automatically reloading torpedoes when returning to base.

EDIT: to add what I wrote above, what's important is setting the "NULL, NULL" value to 1. Renown does not come into play. This keeps the torpedoes from being manually reloaded.

08-01-08, 06:46 PM	#1
lurker_hlb3 Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Calif Posts: 2,290 Downloads: 187 Uploads: 12	[TEC] Uboat Torpedo Loadout fix Torpedo Load out problem for U-boats The lions share of the credit for this fix goes to elanaiba, without who’s help I would not have been able to correct this problem. To ensure that torpedoes selected at the start of a career or when rearming at home port, a specific set of entries from the NSS_UboatX.sim file must be entered in the NSS_UboatX.upcge file. If the entries “do not match exactly”, SH4 will default to torpedo that’s in the NSS_UboatX.sim. In figure 1, we have the NSS_UboatX.sim file for a Type VIIC uboats. Please note the “NSS_Uboat7c_Door02_FRU_anim” marked with the red arrow. Now please note the red arrow in figure 2, the NSS_UboatX.upcge file for a Type VIIC. This is the ExternalObjectName3D file name the NSS_UboatX.upcge keys off to loaded the select weapon. If the files names fail to match then the system will default to the torpedo select in the NSS_UboatX.sim ( blue arrow in figure 1 ) Fig 1 Fig 2

08-02-08, 05:36 AM	#2
Xantrokoles Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 659 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I can imagine, that the devs wanted to set all torpedoes basicly in the NSS_UboatXX.sim file. But then they changed the primary setting into the .upc file. __________________

08-02-08, 02:30 PM	#4
ZeeWolf Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Great NorthWest Posts: 1,724 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 1	That is fantastic elanaiba! Note however "NSS_Uboatxx_Door02_Bx_anim" is for the rear tubes and the "NSS_Uboatxx_Door02_Fxx_anim" is for the front Last edited by ZeeWolf; 08-02-08 at 02:48 PM.

08-06-08, 07:41 AM	#7
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	Luke, I've discussed this with programming and I don't think there's any solution available for you. This is just one of those "unfinished businesses" where the game was supposed to check some stuff - as in - does the torpedo work on this boat? - but didn't. At the moment the game just checks for the first torpedo available that costs 0 renown. Possible solutions - none perfect: - Put the Mark 10 before the Mark 14 in the Ammunition.upc file. This solves the problem but creates it for all other submarines - they'll get the Mark 10 as reload. - Make the Mark 14 cost something - same result for other boats. If you put a cost (1 renown) to all torpedoes, there will be no more auto-reloads in port. __________________ With strength I burn...

08-06-08, 01:30 PM	#8
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	im trying to mod the HK Atlantis giving in 8 Fwd tubes and 2 aft(for mines) how do i do this? __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

08-02-08, 01:13 PM	#3
Orion2012 Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 611 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Glad to see someone knew what was going on. I personally looked a lot, and never would have found that.

08-06-08, 06:28 PM	#9
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Actually, I kinda like the make all torpedoes cost 1 renown __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

08-07-08, 03:29 AM	#11
elanaiba Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,058 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 3	One more thing... there seems to be another "bug" in the procedures so you must also make sure you change ALL AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent= NULL, NULL, 0 entries to AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent= NULL, NULL, 1 or something like the first of the cost entries for that torpedo Otherwise you'll still get torpedoes, just tried it. __________________ With strength I burn...

08-08-08, 02:29 AM	#13
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Alright, that did it. Setting "AmmunitionIntervalOptionCurrent" to "NULL, NULL, 1" at least gives a workaround to the problem by not automatically reloading torpedoes when returning to base. EDIT: to add what I wrote above, what's important is setting the "NULL, NULL" value to 1. Renown does not come into play. This keeps the torpedoes from being manually reloaded. __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader Last edited by LukeFF; 08-08-08 at 04:27 PM.