Radio msg.

Fish · 10-20-05, 01:10 PM

I want a radio msg to be send at a random time.
I set time for :
Start time: 00:04:05
End time : 00:04:30
So the msg would be send somewhere between 05 and 30 minutes in game.
But...every time I start the game the msg is send at 05 minutes ingame.
Some one of you used this and know what I do wrong?

zma · 10-20-05, 05:53 PM

I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. Start and end times are only used to limit the time when the trigger can be completed. If you haven't provided any additional criteria for the trigger, it will activate at the earliest possible time.

I can't think of an elegant solution to this one. However, this could work: make a dynamic group of neutral vessels, and attach destination triggers to each. Specify a different start time for each destination trigger, and make the destination radius so big that the trigger will activate no matter where the attached vessel is in the map. Finally, specify that one (and only one) of the vessels in the dynamic group is created. Now you could use the destination triggers to send a radio message, and the message would be sent at some specified, random start time. Bonus: if you use a script for actually sending the message, you don't have to write the msg to each of the triggers.

I haven't tested this, but I think it could work. By the way, in case you are wondering, the triggers in a dynamic group have to be attached to a vessel, because "standalone" triggers, even in a dynamic group, would always be created.

Molon Labe · 10-20-05, 08:02 PM

I'm pretty sure triggers are objects that can be included in dynamic groups. You might be able to do what you want by creating a master group with several subordinate groups inside it, each of the subgroups having set to a certain probability of inclusion and containing a trigger set to fire at a specific time. The game would choose which groups--and triggers--to generate at the start of the mission.

Miika · 10-21-05, 04:42 AM

My suggestion: Put one neutral ship far away from the action. (So that it won't be accidentally hit by a missile etc.) 100% probability, but random start box. Then create for instance a destination goal that responses to this neutral ship, and after triggering make the goal to send the message.

By setting a default speed of for instance 5kts, and making the random box extremely thin you can easily determine the precise time window.

I've used this in my Future Fleet scenarios and it works.

One note, though: It seems that if you create the ship (or any other unit) as a result of another trigger, the other triggers won't react to this created unit. Anyone else has the same problem? Does somebody understand what I'm talking about?

(For instance you can make a "life-raft" appear next to a ship after it has been sunk, but you can't make a trigger to react to it afterwards, to accomplish a succesful rescue. If I recall right, SC editor had the same limitation. If somebody knows an answer to this problem, please tell me.)

Fish · 10-21-05, 06:02 AM

Thanks guys, I made a work around with "timesincetriggerfired", but I think Miika's solution is word to be work out.
Nice finding, as you can ran around in circles sometimes.

Fish · 10-21-05, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

I'm pretty sure triggers are objects that can be included in dynamic groups. You might be able to do what you want by creating a master group with several subordinate groups inside it, each of the subgroups having set to a certain probability of inclusion and containing a trigger set to fire at a specific time. The game would choose which groups--and triggers--to generate at the start of the mission.

Thanks ML, I was aware of that possibility, but Miika's solution is easyer to do.

FERdeBOER · 10-21-05, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miika

One note, though: It seems that if you create the ship (or any other unit) as a result of another trigger, the other triggers won't react to this created unit. Anyone else has the same problem? Does somebody understand what I'm talking about?

You have to include the new trigger for the new ship in the same dinamic group.

i.e: you create the d. group with the life-raft when the ship is sunk. You have to put the aproach goal (if is that what you whant to be the goal) in the same gruop, so you should have to put 2 objets in the group: the raft and the trigger.

I've done so in the campaing I'm actually creating for "semidynamic" campaign (if you sink that sub the next mission orders will be those, if you didn't detect the sub the mission is that..) and it works.

Also works for creating goals (critical or not) in the middle of a mission.

Hope I,ve explained well.

Miika · 10-21-05, 08:59 AM

Gracias, amigo, I new there had to be a way. Now this really helps with some scenarios I'm planning.

10-20-05, 01:10 PM	#1
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Radio msg. I want a radio msg to be send at a random time. I set time for : Start time: 00:04:05 End time : 00:04:30 So the msg would be send somewhere between 05 and 30 minutes in game. But...every time I start the game the msg is send at 05 minutes ingame. Some one of you used this and know what I do wrong?

10-21-05, 04:42 AM	#4
Miika A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 78 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	My suggestion: Put one neutral ship far away from the action. (So that it won't be accidentally hit by a missile etc.) 100% probability, but random start box. Then create for instance a destination goal that responses to this neutral ship, and after triggering make the goal to send the message. By setting a default speed of for instance 5kts, and making the random box extremely thin you can easily determine the precise time window. I've used this in my Future Fleet scenarios and it works. One note, though: It seems that if you create the ship (or any other unit) as a result of another trigger, the other triggers won't react to this created unit. Anyone else has the same problem? Does somebody understand what I'm talking about? (For instance you can make a "life-raft" appear next to a ship after it has been sunk, but you can't make a trigger to react to it afterwards, to accomplish a succesful rescue. If I recall right, SC editor had the same limitation. If somebody knows an answer to this problem, please tell me.) __________________ Constantem Decorat Honor

10-21-05, 08:59 AM	#8
Miika A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 78 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Gracias, amigo, I new there had to be a way. Now this really helps with some scenarios I'm planning. __________________ Constantem Decorat Honor

10-20-05, 05:53 PM	#2
zma Seaman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 35 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. Start and end times are only used to limit the time when the trigger can be completed. If you haven't provided any additional criteria for the trigger, it will activate at the earliest possible time. I can't think of an elegant solution to this one. However, this could work: make a dynamic group of neutral vessels, and attach destination triggers to each. Specify a different start time for each destination trigger, and make the destination radius so big that the trigger will activate no matter where the attached vessel is in the map. Finally, specify that one (and only one) of the vessels in the dynamic group is created. Now you could use the destination triggers to send a radio message, and the message would be sent at some specified, random start time. Bonus: if you use a script for actually sending the message, you don't have to write the msg to each of the triggers. I haven't tested this, but I think it could work. By the way, in case you are wondering, the triggers in a dynamic group have to be attached to a vessel, because "standalone" triggers, even in a dynamic group, would always be created.

10-20-05, 08:02 PM	#3
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	I'm pretty sure triggers are objects that can be included in dynamic groups. You might be able to do what you want by creating a master group with several subordinate groups inside it, each of the subgroups having set to a certain probability of inclusion and containing a trigger set to fire at a specific time. The game would choose which groups--and triggers--to generate at the start of the mission.

10-21-05, 06:02 AM	#5
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys, I made a work around with "timesincetriggerfired", but I think Miika's solution is word to be work out. Nice finding, as you can ran around in circles sometimes.