US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[mapuc]

This night I saw something which made me sad.

It looks like the American's, some of them and a whole lot others from outside USA are more eager to impeach Trump for what he is and for how he behave.
Than what he may have done wrong.

The reason to my sadness and this almost convincing

In MLB game 5 a group of people sad behind first row of spectators and they had a banner with text

Veterans for Impeachment

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by u crank

That is a relative opinion by these people. They were not hired or appointed to make policy. Their job is to carry out the policies of the current administration. If they refuse or try to subvert that policy they are subverting the will of the electorate. If they feel strongly about their 'reasonable' opinions they should resign their cushy government jobs and run for office or get a job in the media. These people, the '#resistance' are why people call it the deep state.

Skybird and Catfish prefer their own definitions for deep state because you know Trump!

[Buddahaid]

I just don't know how you can support such a proven compulsive liar.

[Mr Quatro]

They all ie ... just some better than others.

Good grief Trump is in the spot light all of the time ... he gets judged all of the time.

Most people that vote are too busy for this crap ... it boils done to what we know or what they promise.

The left wing promises are ridiculous ... Someone should string them all together like Student loans repaid, free college tuition, back pay for transsexuals and even children of negro slaves, remove all AR-15's from public use, ban all assault rifles, health care for all, 66 trillion dollar health care plans from a country that only produces 3 trillion dollars a year in revenue, raise taxes on the companies that are hiring people, raise middle income tax to pay for the poor.

Yep! Someone should make a list of what the left wing is for vs what the right wing has done.

[eddie]

Are they coming to take your punk little guns from you again,LOL Thought Obama did that already! Poor right wingers, everyone is picking on Trump! GOOD!! That dork deserves every bit of it and more!

[Mr Quatro]

If you forgive Trump for lying and being strange you get what you vote for, but if you don't forgive Trump you get what the democrats want.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-d...202549219.html

Medicare for All would be so expensive that if you taxed top earners at 100%—that’s right, if you took all the income of couples earning more than $408,000 per year—you’d still fall far short. And everybody getting taxed at 100% would obviously stop working.

Okay, that won’t do it. So what will? CRFB outlined a variety of options. A 42% national sales tax (known as a valued-added tax) would generate about $3 trillion in revenue. But it would destroy the consumer spending that’s the backbone of the U.S. economy. A tax of that magnitude would be like 42% inflation, wrecking consumer budgets and the many companies that depend on them, from Walmart and Amazon to your local car dealer.

Other options include a 32% payroll tax split between employers and workers or a 25% income surtax on everybody. Or, the government could cut 80% of spending on everything but health care, which would include highways, airports and the Pentagon. Or here’s a good one: Just borrow the money and quadruple Washington’s annual deficits.

[Buddahaid]

Not supporting the greatest liar of all time doesn't automatically mean supporting ridiculous democratic ideals. Trump lies even when there is no twisted advantage in doing so. He simply talks out of his tailpipe all the time.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I just don't know how you can support such a proven compulsive liar.

Honestly, they all lie. Elizabeth Warren, misrepresented herself as part native American to get ahead in the academic world. Yet liberals look the other way.

I don't think most conservative "support" Trump, but they have to choose between the lesser of two evils. And you know how people get when they are attacked and persecuted, they push back.

I did not vote for Trump, but when I saw the debate where they asked 15 Dems who would support free healthcare to illegal immigrants and they all raised their hands... viva Trump!

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Trump lies even when there is no twisted advantage in doing so. He simply talks out of his tailpipe all the time.

So true! Down here we say he's fulla sh... well, you know. Big talking idiot, but it's better than a smooth talking idiot.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I just don't know how you can support such a proven compulsive liar.

And I don't know how you could support a bunch of elitist jerks who try to turn our country into a socialist authoritarian cesspool every time they get into power. Thing is Budda saying that Trump lies is like saying Trump likes to wear ties. Every politician is a liar, every damned one of them, and the professional politicians are the worst of the lot. Tell me I am wrong. Trump may talk a lot of "crap" but he actively works at fulfilling his campaign promises and he isn't owned by people like George Soros and a bunch of commie political action groups.

So I'll take a Trump lie about crowd sizes at the inaugural over Obamas promise that I can keep my health care plan and I'll take a Trump lie over the potential track of a Hurricane over a Democrat promise that they aren't going to try and take my guns.

Originally Posted by u crank

The term 'deep state' has conspiracy theory connotations that allows some people take it less than seriously. The correct term is the administrative state. In the US government this is a vast number of people who have not been elected. They are appointed or hired by the current administration or are holdovers from previous administrations.

Or to an earlier generation The Establishment.

[Buddahaid]

Why do people just assume you support the antitrump if you don't like Trump? You mean to tell me that all other politicians save for Trump are elitist jerks regardless of party affiliation?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not supporting the greatest liar of all time doesn't automatically mean supporting ridiculous democratic ideals. Trump lies even when there is no twisted advantage in doing so. He simply talks out of his tailpipe all the time.

Buddy, If you take anything coming out of any politician's mouth at face value, you've got problems, they all lie and/or stretch the truth on a daily basis.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Buddy, If you take anything coming out of any politician's mouth at face value, you've got problems, they all lie and/or stretch the truth on a daily basis.

True. Yet they vary by the reach of the damages they do. Lil Cesars effect will live on for many years after he has left. He has damaged the system and order itself, and i absolutely doubt that the us will ever really recover from that. its like a longlasting radiological intoxication. In american political landscape, the Geigers will keep on ticking like crazy for decades.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I just don't know how you can support such a proven compulsive liar.

Originally Posted by Skybird

True. Yet they vary by the reach of the damages they do.

Call me a realist but I think the reason is pretty obvious. Political power. People have always overlooked the flaws in their politicians to get and retain political power. To believe that only one side does this is niave.

It is certainly not a game for idealists.

[em2nought]

Trump is Barnum & Bailey Circus. I'll take a President pronouncing my country as the greatest show on earth instead of offering apologies for it everywhere he goes. In regards to what he's actually "done" so far post Obama, if Trump is wrong, I don't want to be right.


Trumps's also a General Grant, he fights. We don't need another General McClellan. Maybe some of his punches are way off, but he's still throwing them, and he lands a good one quite often.

[Skybird]

Jill Lepore is an American historian and teaches Amerian history at Harvard. There is currently an interview in German due to a book of her now being published in German. In it, she said this passage, about Nixon and Trump.

Question:
Richard Nixon also faced, as Trump presumably now, an impeachment trial. Are there similarities between the two?


Answer:
Not really. Nixon was extremely clever. And he knew foreign policy well. When the Watergate investigations began in 1974, the Republicans claimed that many US presidents had done bad things, with Nixon just beign found out through tape recordings. The Democrats replied: we can find out. As a result, in the summer of 1974, many historians sat down and made a list of US presidents guilty of premeditated misconduct. The result was a fascinating investigation. For my book, I called all of the surviving historians and asked them how they see it, while Trump maybe is about to be charged and Nixon was charged. That was before the revelations in the Ukraine affair. Everyone laughed when I asked that. The comparison with Nixon is idiotic. Nixon had a sense of justice, even the moment he broke the law. His resignation was a consequence of his awareness that democracy works by law and Americans accept their laws.

https://www.fr.de/kultur/donald-trum...-13175282.html


Thats part fo the problem. Little Zero is so full of himself that their is no space left in him for anything as porfane like what is just and not just, right and wrong. He has no sense of justice. And thus will never have a sense for guilt or responsiblity.