Hitler really was a socialist

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Sean C

It's literally in the name: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

So the name makes Kim Jong Un's "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" a democracy run and voted for by the people?

(Following not directed at Sean C) :

Yes, i will also not accept Hitler's socialism, but i will abstain to discuss this bull here

Originally Posted by Skybird

It cannot be what should not be... The whole bipolar model of ideological warfare by the left would be deligitimized, and that cannot be allowed.

The thing is it is not 'bipolar'. This claim bubbling up in certain media every now and then has been discussed and debunked broad and wide and there's not much to add. Just because i do not argue with you about the 5G conspiracy or freemasons does not mean that i agree with any of this, neither does this make it true.

In case of doubt, just shoot the messenger.

Boom.

[Skybird]

You must not discuss it. Your view may be mainstream, it is popular and agreed to be the politically correct and wanted truth. Yes. History gets written by the victors.


But endlessly repeating wrong stuff does not make it any less wrong. The claimed arguments you refer to, in parts are known to me. They are the usual limited thinking inside the politically accepted box. You could as well argue that the ECB indeed were independent because politics claim so and the claim serves their interests. That return is to be expected, but by fact create din relaity and beyond the written paragraphs it is wrong, and the ECB is the strong ally and supporter of the EU'S political agendas - thats what it was created for to be. So is the standard view on that national socialism is no socialism and that the state economy of Nazi Germany did not had all traits and characteristics of a socialist planned economy. It had. It was. And Goedbbels agiutated already in the very early 30s agauinst the possessing property owning class and let no dozubt on what it would mean for them if the NSDAP would ever come to govenrment power, it was fully truly socialist propaganda he argued with. It does not matter whether by name or not, it is the klatterns, the mechanisms, the functuonalities that get porpagated. That Hitler did not explicitly found his arguments by mentioning Marx I know myself - but that is irrelevant. The dish gets called differently, but it tastes the same and is made of the same ingredients. And so i say: its not two but one dish only.



And this, it is common practice amongst socialists and communists since one hundred years to always claim that when socialism fails somewhere (once again), to argue that then it was no "real", no "true" socialism, because, so the narrative, real socialism works and function per definition. One claims and bases on the beleif that one just knows it works, and so one refuses to prove it. If socialism blows it up, its never socialism's guilt, but that of the others, but when economic succees is generated due to entrepreneurship and competent management or whatever, the succeess easily is claimed by lefts. So it is with Hitler as well. Its a failure story, and thus it cannot be socialism. Stalin's Russia of course has nothing to do with socialism, but was just tyranny. The GDR, that was no socialism, but corruption. Cuba, its the evil wicked Yanks, not socialism. Chinese "socialism" is successful, and why? Becasue it has a ver yheavy dose of corrupted capitalism ijected. Without it China would be something nobody talks about today.



Socialism is alwayss the innocent victim. Because we all know: socialism just works, and it is alwayy the persecuted, enver the persecutor.



Why needing to prove the obvious if everybod knows it?

[MaDef]

Does it matter? Hitler is dead, and has been for some time.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Catfish

[Catfish]

Ok this was not a good post, i meant those usual suspects always popping up when this subject appears once more, and i cannot even say "no offense meant" because i strongly disagree with any such opinion.

But this does not represent Subsim, members in general or this website .

edit: i changed it. If you insist to let the original be there i will change it back.

[Onkel Neal]

Danke!

It makes my head ache when someone associates "SUBSIM" with any particular person's opinion. I appreciate your understanding.

We all read stuff that we find preposterous, here and elsewhere on the web. SUBSIM does not have the time, energy or moral authority to regulate speech, except in the most egregious cases.

Never underestimated the power of ignore.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Does it matter? Hitler is dead, and has been for some time.

Good point. Something else to consider just because you’re a socialist or believe in socialism. Does not make you a Nazi.

[MaDef]

Having said that, I will expand a bit and say there are some disturbing parallels politically, in what went on in Germany back in the 30's, and what is taking place here in the U.S. today.

[derstosstrupp]

I looked into this question pretty extensively back when I was doing some independent study of Austrian economics, and a speaker talked about the national socialist economic policy. So I dug into speeches. Here’s Hitler himself talking about the government approach to fixing prices and controlling the economy:

https://archive.org/details/Hitler_S...aftspolit.mp3#

And starting about five minutes, he leaves no doubt about the brutal approach to those who don’t want to tow the line, producers and sellers who want to fix prices for themselves etc:
“Wenn es irgendwo schlimm wird, gehen wir auch schlimm vor, zu dem Zweck haben wir die Konzentrationslager, das kann man nicht mit Gerichten machen, wissen Sie das dauert Monate lang, das geht so nicht.“

This was state-run economy writ large, the approach being that individual business owners have a duty to the “Volksgemeinschaft” to stay within the price guidelines set by the government.

[Rockstar]

You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. . . In this respect they certainly differ from the former Social-Democratic officials. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.

p. 6 (letter from a German businessman)

[Exocet25fr]

Hitler wasn't Socialist, he was National Socialist (Nazi), it's different!

http://www.differencebetween.net/mis...nal-socialism/

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

Hitler wasn't Socialist, he was National Socialist (Nazi), it's different!

http://www.differencebetween.net/mis...nal-socialism/

No no no no, see internet video man says he was.

[Rockstar]

Exocet25fr I’d suggest giving the video a listen too, it’s a long but I think it would be time well spent. Below is a list of sources the gentleman in the video used for study before presenting his conclusions.


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[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Wikipedia, seems to be the favorite go to source for all the liberal socialist types. Those koolaide drinkers worship it as their oracle of truth, that and MSNBC and Russiagate conspiracies.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

AND get this, he lists well over 100 sources of his research. Sadly the socialist liberal oracle of truth Wikipedia isn’t included.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Below is a list of sources the gentleman in the video used for study before presenting his conclusions.

https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reich...randverordnung

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Terboven

Tonight on Tucker Carlson Tonight: Is Internet Video Man a Liberal Socialist??

[mapuc]

Whether it was Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot or some other dictator I couldn't care less about where they stood politically.. They were plain and simple very evil. To use a biblical term they were Anti-Christ.

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