Wuhan virus 2020

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by August

[...] Why don't you stop giving medical orders to people? You are not a doctor and you have no absolutely business telling anyone to get a covid shot.

Maybe because a good part of the world has had enough with politically biased opinions and antiva lies
I guess then it is Tucker Carlson's, the ex pres. bdo, and some republican governors' business, to tell you to not get vaccinated.
I guess anyone would be more qualified than those mentioned.

[mapuc]

Maybe it's me, because I do not see Skybirds advise as medical orders, but more as advise.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Maybe because a good part of the world has had enough with politically biased opinions and lies
I guess then it is Tucker Carlson's business, to tell you to not get vaccinated

Well, Skybird is not the world. He is a person who strongly believes the vaccine should be taken no matter what. That is fine. On the other hand, there are people who strongly believe the vaccine in a untested state and not safe. That is also fine. Tucker Carlson, although an interesting media figure, is not my doctor. Nor is any of the other talking heads. In fact, my doctor never asked me if I got the COVID vaccine. She was more interested in the shingles vaccine for me.

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

On the contrary, colds can happen any time of the year. Our eldest daughter had a cold 2 weeks ago. Our youngest daughter just got over a cold she caught from her boyfriend. Just cause you sniffle does not mean you have COVID.

I left out a good part of the details.
1. I have woke up every morning with a bloody nose, like a really bad one. Last one I had bled straight through two of my sheets and onto my mattress
2. Minor headache and my joints ache
3. My throat is really dry and sore, and whenever I swallow it hurts like Hell.
4. My nose is so stuffy that I have to breathe out of my mouth
5. Not to mention my voice is croaky.

Right now, it seems like a bad case of Influenza.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by El Whacko

I left out a good part of the details.
1. I have woke up every morning with a bloody nose, like a really bad one. Last one I had bled straight through two of my sheets and onto my mattress
2. Minor headache and my joints ache
3. My throat is really dry and sore, and whenever I swallow it hurts like Hell.
4. My nose is so stuffy that I have to breathe out of my mouth
5. Not to mention my voice is croaky.

Right now, it seems like a bad case of Influenza.

I hope feel better soon!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

There is no argument here. You do what you believe you need to do. As far as carelessly spreading the virus you must have missed the portion of my post that states those vaccinated are still getting infected.

Its another thing you do not get. Haven't you noticed that since months Delta spreads much faster than the earlier strains, and that it causes more younger people to become ill? That is because it has a CT value of around 24, whereas Alpha and follow ups had the CT at around 34. The lower, the more dangerous, the CT value deals with how many times the virus must replicate to become dangerous in total viorus numbers, infectious. A low iteraton signals here is a virus variant that intially comes with a much higher virus load, and so needs less iterations to overwhelm the host, making him ill. It faster.

That means the infected spreads the desease in greater quantity and quality, and in shorter time. He sprays around heavier virus loads. We know the difference between how long Alpha strains and Delta strain stay infectous on an infected person, and can infect other people. The difference is five days. Deltas stay five days longer infectous for other peopel, than earlier strains. Five days in whcih you run around asmyptomatic and infetc other people with 1200 higher vorus loads than before with Alpha.

- edit: Thinking of it, I am uncertain whether I mistake the earlier variants with vaccinated people here. Its possible. But the logic behind it stays the same. -

Some of those you infect stay asymptomtic. Some suffer a mild form. Loosers they are, the pulled the duds! But there will also be those who are vulnerable, due to obesity, diabetes, age, immune system supressing medication and so forth, these become ill, too. And they are winners, they get the golden entry ticket for the big shiny hospital show, all extra acts included. And some of them die, the yget their names on golden plates hanged up on the walls.

Now, if you run five days longer around infecting peoplel, you make more of these people happy winners. Be proud of yourself, you bring people luck!

And then there is another aspect that you already seem to have deleted from your memory, althoguzh it is not loign time ago you had it happenign in your country, in our countries here, all over the world. Say, there is a highway at your place, and it crosses under two bridges that are one mile apart, and lets think per day, per 24 hours interval, you have - well, I don't know, over that 24 hours you have lets say 200,000 cars passing this mile. Is that a rewölaustco value, 200000? I dont know, its not important anyway. You have 200000 cars on that piece of tarmac over a period of 24 hours. Now imagine you have the same 200000 cars on that mile not in 24 hours, but in lets say 15 minutes. How does the traffic look like then? You probaaly have a traffic jam, and the cars standing, creeping along? No more fluid traffic passing on?

That 1mile of highway is a hospital. the 24 hours are a year. The 200000 cars are the emergence rate of patients. That 15 minutes is one pandemic wave period.

Add one and one together.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Its another thing you do not get. Haven't you noticed that since months Delta spreads much faster than the earlier strains, and that it causes more younger people to become ill? That is because it has a CT value of around 24, whereas Alpha and follow ups had the CT at around 34. The lower, the more dangerous, the CT value deals with how many times the virus must replicate to become dangerous in total viorus numbers, infectious. A low iteraton signals here is a virus variant that intially comes with a much higher virus load, and so needs less iterations to overwhelm the host, making him ill. It faster.

That means the infected spreads the desease in greater quantity and quality, and in shorter time. He sprays around heavier virus loads. We know the difference between how long Alpha strains and Delta strain stay infectous on an infected person, and can infect other people. The difference is five days. Deltas stay five days longer infectous for other peopel, than earlier strains. Five days in whcih you run around asmyptomatic and infetc other people with 1200 higher vorus loads than before with Alpha.

- edit: Thinking of it, I am uncertain whether I mistake the earlier variants with vaccinated people here. Its possible. But the logic behind it stays the same. -

Some of those you infect stay asymptomtic. Some suffer a mild form. Loosers they are, the pulled the duds! But there will also be those who are vulnerable, due to obesity, diabetes, age, immune system supressing medication and so forth, these become ill, too. And they are winners, they get the golden entry ticket for the big shiny hospital show, all extra acts included. And some of them die, the yget their names on golden plates hanged up on the walls.

Now, if you run five days longer around infecting peoplel, you make more of these people happy winners. Be proud of yourself, you bring people luck!

And then there is another aspect that you already seem to have deleted from your memory, althoguzh it is not loign time ago you had it happenign in your country, in our countries here, all over the world. Say, there is a highway at your place, and it crosses under two bridges that are one mile apart, and lets think per day, per 24 hours interval, you have - well, I don't know, over that 24 hours you have lets say 200,000 cars passing this mile. Is that a rewölaustco value, 200000? I dont know, its not important anyway. You have 200000 cars on that piece of tarmac over a period of 24 hours. Now imagine you have the same 200000 cars on that mile not in 24 hours, but in lets say 15 minutes. How does the traffic look like then? You probaaly have a traffic jam, and the cars standing, creeping along? No more fluid traffic passing on?

That 1mile of highway is a hospital. the 24 hours are a year. The 200000 cars are the emergence rate of patients. That 15 minutes is one pandemic wave period.

Add one and one together.

You have this odd picture of me in your mind running around spewing snot at people. You have this odd picture of me in your mind touching everything in the store and people around me then picking my nose after checking on the piece of chicken stuck between my teeth. In short, I do the recommended CDC guidelines of masks, washing hands and social distancing. It has worked now for a better part of a year and a half while waiting on a vaccine that I'm not taking in it's infancy. Why should I stop any of that now? I know...the new virus as worse.

[Rockstar]

Furthermore not only was it estimated 50% percent of the U.S. carried COVID antibodies in March 2021. Projections estimate the U.S. will reach herd immunity Jul-Aug 2021. Guess what month this is?

At the time herd immunity is near, roughly half of the immunity will be achieved through natural infection, and the other half will be achieved through vaccination.


You may continue with your derpy vax, anti vax political arguments, just know they don’t matter.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I have not gotten the vaccine. I'm the wait and see group because the vaccine was rushed to market. To many, "it should, maybe, perhaps, not sure, we will see, we don't know" for me. We now see that that variants are coming almost monthly. Those vaccinated are being warned to wear masks. Your vaccine may or may not help. You can still carry the virus in the nasal passages. Is the original vaccine good for a year? Will a booster be required? Once again, "it should, maybe, perhaps, not sure, we will see, we don't know" has reared it's uncertain head again.
?

Well, it's good to have some people unvaccinated to repopulate the earth in case the vaccine wipes us out in a couple years.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Another variant. Is anyone comfortable with the current vaccine administered?

Yeah, until I start hearing otherwise.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Well, it's good to have some people unvaccinated to repopulate the earth in case the vaccine wipes us out in a couple years.

I depends if Viagra is still being manufactured and there is a willing participant.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

You have this odd picture of me in your mind running around spewing snot at people. You have this odd picture of me in your mind touching everything in the store and people around me then picking my nose after checking on the piece of chicken stuck between my teeth. In short, I do the recommended CDC guidelines of masks, washing hands and social distancing. It has worked now for a better part of a year and a half while waiting on a vaccine that I'm not taking in it's infancy. Why should I stop any of that now? I know...the new virus as worse.

There is a reason why if you have a positive test but suffer no serious symptoms you nevertheless get send into quarantine.
So if you do not test, you have no positive result, but you nevertheless can be ill, and should be in quarantine. You spread, without knowing it. With masksl it is like with everttyhign else, the yredcue risk probabiolties. But they do not neutralise them, and it depends on the mask quality, and the way it gets worn.

If you can smell parfzum or cigarettes thoprugh the mask, which is practically impossible to avoid compeltely, the amsks doe snot sela you completley. And it shouldn't. N95 means it filters a minimum of 95% of construction site-typical particles (dusts and aerosole droplets and so forth).
If you are vaccinated,m you may still be spreaidng. But you do spread a lesser virus load, and for signbficantly less days. You pose less a risk.



It seems, however, that Lambda will rewrite all this. The vaccines seem to be significantly less protective, and the virus even more infectous.



So much for a relaxed autumn.



We need more curing drugs. And of course new vaccines, not just a third dose of the already existing ones. Else even the few seriously smyptamtic will pout heravy stress onh the econ9mcially avbialabole workforce due to the sheer quantity of people getting infected in total. In the UK I read they have towns and regions where supermarkets do not get filled up anbymore. No employees. No, they are not dead. But ill. In Germany, personell stress was present in police and firebrigades, as another exmaple.



Secondary effects in hospitals is that treatment capacities bound by Covid cases is treatment not available for other patients and procedures. And so forth and forth and forth.


We need to keep the number of infections low, even if most are only with mild symptoms. If the total numbers go up, so do the total numbers from shares of seriously symptomatic.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yeah, until I start heading otherwise.

To me, it is now a false sense of security. Specifically with the new variant. The CDC is recommending masks for those vaccinated as well as the would be irresponsible super spreaders that have not had the vaccine.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

There is a reason why if you have a positive test but suffer no serious symptoms you nevertheless get send into quarantine.

Thanks for that Skybird. I spent many years as a kid reading my fathers JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) publications. I understand with clarity how it works.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Furthermore not only was it estimated 50% percent of the U.S. carried COVID antibodies in March 2021. Projections estimate the U.S. will reach herd immunity Jul-Aug 2021. Guess what month this is?

At the time herd immunity is near, roughly half of the immunity will be achieved through natural infection, and the other half will be achieved through vaccination.

You may continue with your derpy vax, anti vax political arguments, just know they don’t matter.

They still dream of herd immunity?

For Delta it is 90-95%, btw. And Lambda will not care that much anyway. You could as well hope for herd immunity against flu. Or ordinary cold.

Not to mention that immunity declines again. Its proven. It can degrade so far that it does not protect you at all anymore. The time is in the range, depending on the individual person, between 3 and 9 months, something in that range.

[ET2SN]

OK, its been over four months since I got my second shot (Moderna). I also take a med which suppresses my immune system, something I really need since my immune system went rogue (long before COVID).

That combo told me that the vaccine would be risky, but I'm still here.

Buck up, grow some more spine, whatever, and get the bleeping shot already.
All you're doing now is holding the rest of us hostage. See, we don't want to kill anyone or feel responsible for another wave of COVID cases in the ICU. What that means is that you'll need to get used to being treated like a Lepper by your friends and neighbors who have more common sense.

If being the lone wolf and making the Libtards cry is your deal, ponder why its getting more expensive to go to the grocery store. You're not just hurting the rest of us. The US economy is elastic but it has limits.

The sooner we can all get back to normal, the sooner we get back to normal.