RAOBF

[Trevally.]

Thanks again Makman - this looks very helpful.
I will try it shortly

[Zedi]

Makman, any chance for a MaGui for SH5?

[Trevally.]

This is the emtguf scope attack using the ship from Makmans mission.

Map measured range is 1000m
Mast is 47.82
Length is 239.418m

Pic1 - range/mast height


Pic2 - AOB/Ship Length


As you can see from both pics
Range/mastheight is correct.
AOB/Ship Length is out by 10m

So horizontals need a tweek - this will now be easier with this known ship.

[dakuth]

You know... I'm still damn-well lost with this.

Trevally, using your AoB tutorial. The first Ranger Tanker it makes you look at.

I just updated to TDW's 6.0.3

Range: 700m
Length: 112m
Ticks: 13

Try those numbers. What AoB do you get? Because I get a very small AoB, when it should in fact be about 80deg. If I multiply by 4 (only because I saw you do it in one of your screenshots, I don't know why I would multiply) I get 52 ticks... but there are not 52 ticks on the ROABF.......

[Gauthier]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Pic2 - AOB/Ship Length


As you can see from both pics
Range/mastheight is correct.
AOB/Ship Length is out by 10m

So horizontals need a tweek - this will now be easier with this known ship.

Hello,

not sure to understand what you do in 2nd pic... why do you show 14 in green? What is it?

I think you have to align length of ship (outer white cross) with distance on middle out=10 (in red); then you read in front of the horizontal width in ticks (22-23 on middle in) the AOB on the inner, here I read 13°... I don't think this is the correct AOB, is it?
I think you should multiply 23*4 (if in 1.5x)=92 and then read around 70° for AOB in this pic if you align red and white cross...

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by Gauthier

Hello,

not sure to understand what you do in 2nd pic... why do you show 14 in green? What is it?

I think you have to align length of ship (outer white cross) with distance on middle out=10 (in red); then you read in front of the horizontal width in ticks (22-23 on middle in) the AOB on the inner, here I read 13°... I don't think this is the correct AOB, is it?
I think you should multiply 23*4 (if in 1.5x)=92 and then read around 70° for AOB in this pic if you align red and white cross...

Yes you are correct - the green mark should be on the middle inside ring showing horizontal clicks @ 23.
I did it this way to compare the length of the ship as per the scope marks v the known length from Makman.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by dakuth

You know... I'm still damn-well lost with this.

Trevally, using your AoB tutorial. The first Ranger Tanker it makes you look at.

I just updated to TDW's 6.0.3

Range: 700m
Length: 112m
Ticks: 13

Try those numbers. What AoB do you get? Because I get a very small AoB, when it should in fact be about 80deg. If I multiply by 4 (only because I saw you do it in one of your screenshots, I don't know why I would multiply) I get 52 ticks... but there are not 52 ticks on the ROABF.......

If the target is too big to fit in the RAOBF at x6 zoom we use x1.5 zoom.
6 / 1.5 = 4
So if clicks are counted in 1.5 zoom you must X by 4.
Or you can set your clicks to the bottom right black marker (note: if you put 10click at bottom right marker - the top black marker shows this number X 4)

If your click go over 50 (no 50 on wheel) the numgers continue.
so 0.5 becomes 50
next mark up is 55
next mark up is 60 and so on.

Once I get the horizontals sorted - I will post a new step by step guide

[Trevally.]

@toniloCoyote

With the info Makman has givrn us and the confirming the that your list of lengths are the correct ones - I am going to re-scale the horizontals to match this new info.

So mastheights looks like this info is going to be required.
Mastheight + draft. If you can find a way to test this you can really fix everyone RM. This would be a big step forward for the game and a huge benefit to eveyone

If I can help you with this task - please let me know

[Gauthier]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

If I can help you with this task - please let me know

+1

[toniloCoyote]

Sorry, I've been far away from my computer for one full day (family duties). In less of half hour I'll end in attending them and will be on-line again. In the meanwhile, thanks to you all for still in fight.

[toniloCoyote]

Well, I'm running again.
First of all, thanks Markman, your help is still invaluable.
Trevally, I am very glad that you want to end this matter until it was as accurate as possible.

And now, good news:

I found the depth value for each vessel in their sim files. by means of the Goblin Editor. I had already found it yesterday, but did not believe that this was the real thing, because there was too much difference between this value and the one in the .cfg files.


As you can see the Liberty freighter sim file says that its depth is 8.2 (meters, I suppose) while the .cfg file says it is only 5.8

So what I did just now is to edit this value by Goblin, and change it to 2, and after several SH5 crashes, due to other reasons, here is the Liberty with its propeller in the air.



The question is: Is this value true (in the sim world)? is it really in meters?

As soon as I check it I'll start to write the list of values (of 3D models) for the drafts and the heights of the masts.
Do you know any way to check with accuracy that I am not wrong?

[Trevally.]

Great work toniloCoyote

How about testing the "NBB_Littorio" I think the ship Makman gave us the correct mastheight for (Duilio) ia a clone of this one.

If we know from the sim the total height of this ship - and now can find the draft in the sim, we will know if the draft you are seeing is correct.

Mastheight was 47.82

[toniloCoyote]

OK.

By now, we have:

NLL (Liberty)
---------------------------
Heigth (3D model) 34.397
draft (sim file) 8.2
---------------------------
mast (substract) 26.197

Mast in .cfg file = 27.1 (en el .cfg)

It sounds well. I've just found a way to check with total accuracy if the data gathered is being OK. I'll test it (and the NBB_Littorio).

Work in progress...

[toniloCoyote]

More data:

NBB_Littorio
------------------
Height (3D Model) 58.420
draught (sim file) 10.5
------------------
mast (subtract) = 47.92


NBB_Duilio
---------------
Mast (cfg file) 47
Draft (cfg file) 8.9

Markman's Mastheight = 47.82

It still sounding good.
Now, I'm going to do my test inside SH5.

Work in progress...

[toniloCoyote]

More and more I have the impression that the measurements I am getting are correct, but I wanted to verify them in order to remove all doubts.
My idea was to change the values of draft in the sim file, putting as draft of the ship the full height of it (as obtained from the 3D model).
Thus, if the measures were correct, the ship should appear immersed and the top of the mast would have to be at the level of the water.
If this happened, it would be an irrefutable proof of the accuracy of the measurements.

But a ship is not a submarine, and it seems that SH5 will prevent it at all costs. I've been trying by putting this value in the SIM file, and then in the cfg file and then in the file of the mission, but the most I've achieved is that the ship was immersed up to half, while the boilers exploded in flames.

While the boilers explode...



...the sailors continue doing their job.



Measures of Liberty's and Littorio's masts that I sent in previous post seem to me to be fairly consistents. Furthermore, the Littorio's matches quite well with the Measures given by Makman.
Makman, could you tell me what procedure did you use to measure it?

Well, I think what comes next is to make the complete list of the 3D models dimensions.
Anyway, I would like if someone comes up with an irrefutable way to verify that the measurements are correct; so, we could terminate a pursuit that has occupied a lot of people for long.

I will start to make the list and I'll publish it here when finished. I'm making it in a spreadsheet of MS Excel, in order to facilitate the work of incorporating it into the mods (by exporting as CVS, etc.).

Good silent hunting, and happy new year.