GER politics thread

[Skybird]

According to German foreign minister Siegmar Gabriel (SPD), repairing the existing forces' hardware and maintaining their broken equipment, just that - not increasing its quantity - would be an irresponsible starting shot for a new round in an arms race that could provoke Russia.

Instead, according to BW Kindergardener von der Leyen and Gabriel, drilling waterholes in Africa and building schools in the orient shall be counted for the defence costs formula ("2% of the GDP"), with the hope being that Russia might feel deterred by these dangerous threats and start no military troubles, not just in africa and the orient, but in the baltic region as well, which, as everybody knows, borders directly to Africa and the orient.

And just days ago it was reported that over half of the vehicles and helicopters used by the BW in Mali - yes, Mali - are broken down due to the temperatures, and are immobilised. Isn't there a saying like: if you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen...?

[Skybird]

There is very strong Turkish nationalism in Germany. So-called radicals like Salafists have multiplied by severla factors, and have multiplied the number of their sympathisers. Islam is more untouchable for criticism than 10 years ago, public opinion is in open retreat over it - or faces strict demonizations as right-wing thinking, Nazi-thinking, racist thinking. Islam has boosted its stand and influence in public services and public society, and there are more mosques than before. Number of Muslim migrants has been growing already before the crisis of 2015. Politicians now discuss openly more extra ways and extra rules for Islam, leading as far as considering a special legislation just for Islam (no other religion got that). The problems with Muslim juveniles at schools have massively grown, parallel societies have grown as well, crime has grown as well, and the number of Arab and Turkish hate crimes against Jewish citizens and juveniles at schools have dramatically increased. There are more Shariah courts and police and state attorneys complain that thes ehave made police work and research over crimes and filed complaints fundamentally more complicated, often impossible. Its a second, parrallel justice system that Muslims turn to - and the state and its laws then are locked out. And we still allow that...

The majoriy of Muslims once again were found that they do not want to live side by side with Jews, and would not like to see marriages of their kids with infidels. Instead they press hard for having symbolism of so-called political Islam being established in government and public services, which most dominantly is tried with the head scarf, a fighting symbol for political Islam par exellence. The dust over this still has not settled. And when it eventually would settle, they will come up with something else in a bid to keep us on our toes, falling back.

The mess has grown. The denial of politicians and multiculti ideologists has grown as well. Have you seriously expected the trend to reverse...?

Not even mentioning the devastated relations with Erdoghanistan.

This all explaisn why AfD and Pegida have become stronger in recent years. Some Nazis in there, yes. But by far not all of them. You find a mix of all civil society in there.

Muslim apostates and critical Muslim migrants try still to warn us, but many of them in recent years have given up, some have left Germany in disbelief and dissapintment that Germany allows in what they once have fled from when leaving their original home countries.

We are Germans. We still hold our illusions strong and high. We know Islam better than Islam knows itself. Thats why we do not stop explaining it what it is - and what it should simply stop being.

Integration of Muslim colonists from North africa and the Middle East has failed. But not just in Germany, but in all of Europe where you have greater numbers of Muslim colonists. Britain. Sweden. Netherlands. France. Germany. Its not just a German but a European mess. A politically wanted and still boosted mess.

Migrants from Asia, North and South America, Europe, statistically seem to be not posing problems, not to my knowledge at least. If they are skilled and have something to offer that is needed in our countries, they are welcomed. Last year I read somewhere that many Jews have started to flee from Germany due to the Arabs pouring into Germany. I really regret that, with them goes plenty of wittiness and courage. We lose these in exchange for who predominantly will remain to be social wellfare net receivers. We have the statistics ont hsi for the past 60 years, haven't we. Their message is very clear.

Integration fails becasue those who have to integrate by mandatory duty, still refuse to do so my vast majority. Part of that majority turns noisy, but most are passively resisting integrating. The damage done by both, is the same.

Thats why I deliberately DO NOT MIND those 63% you mentioned. I only mind those who indeed are already apostates of Islam, no matter whether they realise that or still deny that.

After all it still is what many appeasers fanatically deny it is: a clash of civilizations and totally different values and views on society and individual. You cannot have compromise between totalitrianism and racism on the one side (and that is what Islam is about), and liberty and humanism on the other side. You cannot have a compromise regarding poisoned food, if the poison is lethal in even smallest quantities. Any such compromise results in you eating lethally poisoned food. Accepting that qualifies you for the Darwin Award, and I applaude and congratulate every happy winner.

[ValoWay]

Things are either against the law or they are not. Religious believe doesn't justify physical violence or psychological abuse against any citizen here in the western world. Just like we have to teach children what they can and cannot do we have to be apparently bold enough nowadays to teach immigrants how far they can go with their religion and their way of life. If Merkel and cohorts refuse or fail to do so then I suggest to show her the door this september so that she can work full time as an 'advisor' somewhere for her lobby friends..

One side note, though, when you talk about turkish immigrants, just like how trump talked about mexicans, please keep in mind that they're all individuals, too. It kinda comes across paranoid sometimes to me when ppl like trump talk about immigrants from that very remote prespective where all immigrants secretly plan evil schemes against the state.. They are not doctor evil, you know..

[Skybird]

German-Israeli relations since long are no longer what they have been, or are claimed to be.

http://www.dw.com/en/netanyahu-snubs...gos/a-38438090

http://www.dw.com/en/netanyahu-accus...ess/a-38619398

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1145297.html

What Gabriel did, was a planned provocation, no doubt. It compares to a foreign politician visiting Germany, but before meeting the federal president or chancellor or cabinet, meeting - with press - survivors of the Red Army Faction, or some Reichbürger denying the relevance of the German state. If this would be done, it would naturally be taken as an intentional offence and woulkd asue a diplomatic row. But when Gabriel meets organisations that attack the very basis of Israel's existence and defame Israeli soldiers in general - he demands the Israelis to sit still?

Like that psychoanalyst said: the Germans will never forgive the Jews Auschwitz. And if modern Jews do not listen to German moral lecturing based the grounds of suicidal denial of reality, their guilt weighs even heavier and the German anger boils even hotter.

[ValoWay]

I think the jews should have gone to america after ww2 to settle somewhere in iowa or ohio like the amish. The thought of spearheading right into your archenemy's territory to start a freaking living sounds insane to me.. Like having a family picnic right inside a serpentarium.. Both sides are obviously unreasonable and because of news like that which always play the same old song for decades now I would really rather see those which started the mess fixing it than us being involved.. I don't like that I am constantly reminded by such news that I am supposed to have an opinion about it even when it obviously was a bad idea right from the start.. Go deal with it yourself, whoever came up with it..

Am I crazy, a nazi or simply stupid for thinking that? I really don't know..

[Skybird]

Just that they make - religiously founded - claim for that piece of land since 3000 years, plus minus a bit maybe. Like the others that are up against them, and they are up against. Crazy? Maybe, strategically I think Israel is in a most exposed position. But tell that a historically grown, 3 millenia old identity. Some things are non-negotiable to "identity" - else it is not this identity. In the end, Israel is the most advanced society model in that chaotic region of the world, and beside Jordan and sometimes Egypt the only reason-driven actor there. Look around there - any other corner down there is a mess, or a cave, and often both.

[Catfish]

Their identity is their religion, has always been until 1947. There was the Kingdom of Judah bordering to the Kingdom of Israel, some jews in Persia, err "Iran" lol. The city states inhabited by "jews" thousands of years ago were surrounded by lots of other city states inhabited by all other kinds of tribes and religions and opinions why to slaughter their neighbour, all battling and scrapping against each other, and then Rome against all. It was not "their" land. They have the same right to settle there as anyone else.
It is a very dumb notion to claim "your" country and "blood" only because you are born a mile east or west of a border, river, or channel, or in another country's city state some thousand years ago. Genetics will tell you.

I can perfectly understand the jews' urge and the necessity to finally have an own nation of "Israel", so all jews can live there without being harrassed or chased in foreign lands. But give the same right to those who have lived there for millenia, too. I do not see a two-state solution coming, instead all went haywire with the assassination of Rabin just of all by a right-wing israeli, followed just of all by a right-wing government trying to justify illegal settling in regions not exactly belonging to Israel. So you say Germany should be quiet about all this because "the past"? Wasn't it you just saying "we are too servile"? Depends, eh?

Germany will support Israel without question, and imho rightly so, but do not mistake them for angels. Maybe reading "The little drummer girl" would be in order, to understand both sides.

[Skybird]

There were state elections in Schleswig-Holstein today. The Merkel Party defeated the red socialists, but the biggest group again where the non-voters (34%). The complete result that relatives the official numbers against the electorate:



The messiah of the red socialists Martin Schultz since quite some time now has lost support and momentum, and of the initial enthusiasm after he declared that he runs for the job of chancelor, nothing is left. As things currently look, Merkel will run another four years.

After elections in the Saarland, this is the sxecond fo three tests before the national elections that the red socialists have lost wqith flying colkours. Last come elections in Northrhine-Westphalia, with the ruling red government there showing a ruinous record and loiusy reputation, but it is the federal state with the biggest population and many left voters (low working class, migrants, Turks).

[Skybird]

After ErdoghanS staged coup against himself, between 400 and 500 Turkish soldiers fled to Germany and asked for asylum, coming from Turkey and NATO garrisons and posts in europe, mainly Brussel headquarters, where they were stationed. Also some Turkish diplomats asked in Germany for asylum. They first such permissions have just been granted. If the people in question comply with local culture, behavior and rules, I'm okay with that. However, I am certain the great Sultan is not okay with it. Knowing that the Turkish intel service hunts down critics and unwanted minds even in Germany, with a nnetwork of around 5000 active agents and spies, plus the official long arms of the Turkish state in Germany - DITIB and the Turkish state-sent Imams - the refugees could get asylum in Germany, and still be in danger. The Turkish secret service is described to be more active in Germany than the Stasi every was active in the FRG of the cold war.

[Jimbuna]

^then the answer may be simpler than the remedy but root them out and deport them.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^then the answer may be simpler than the remedy but root them out and deport them.

Haha, do you know what would happen over here if a German politician would use the word "deportation"?
The only thing worse would be if he'd argue there should be a thorough selection before deportation.
I guess Claudia Roth would drop dead just by hearing that.

Well, one can hope...

Originally Posted by BL!TZKR!EG

Would that be a loss?

As I said:

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Well, one can hope...

Edit: Of course, I do not hope she dies for real. There are worse people roaming this planet, and while her politics are flat our retarded (and dangerous as well), I don't want to sound like a fascist, trying to end life I do not consider worth living. We had that here before. Not again, please.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Haha, do you know what would happen over here if a German politician would use the word "deportation"?
The only thing worse would be if he'd argue there should be a thorough selection before deportation.
I guess Claudia Roth would drop dead just by hearing that.

Well, one can hope...

Well, at the very least, make use of and utilise the Brit intelligence services before we leave the EU

What, no?

[Skybird]

The trap here is that it is en vogue to imply that one single human life always, under all conditions, is more worth in value than just anything else. And if anything means the economical structure of a whole state, or the rules and the philospphical fundaments of living in a society, or the sale-out or not-sale-out of national "just material" core interests, then this kind of absolute argument becomes dangerous and extrenely damaging.

Lers put it this way then: I would not shed a single tear if Rith gets rolled over by a truck. I even would regret that it has not happened twenty years earlier, for her ideological indoctrination of the masses and the preaching of hers have formed many minds and led to damaging, very damaging consequences for this country. She still preaches that we should even do more of that. The intellectual infantlization that you see in Germany, has not just fallen down from the sky - it has been, and so there are people who made it. Thus, thes epeople who made it, obviously are a big threat even when not lining their opponents up against a wall. You can destroy a country and ruin the fundaments of your wealth and freedom even without establishing concentration camps and firing squads. You just have to ruin the capability of the young to think, and you have to control education. That does much more lasting damage, for this is an evil that is so much more difficult to be named and pointing fingers at.