US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 439

Schroeder · 02-07-19, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Trump has a plan to cancel the debt we owe to China, but he can't get the Pentagon to agree

Maybe you can make the Mexicans pay it off....

August · 02-07-19, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Trump's speech was fine, but what bothered me is that he didn't own it. It was a speech he read, that was written to him. Obama had his speeches wrote to him too, I'm sure, just as was the case with GWB. But hearing those sounds from Trump's mouth, it was obvious it was not him speaking.

Source: Past two years.

What do you have against the ancient and honorable profession of speech writing?

Personally I don't see a problem with it as long as the speech giver has read the speech beforehand and approves of what it says. Oratory skill is a wonderful natural talent but not everyone has it.

mapuc · 02-07-19, 07:19 PM

A question on this writing speeches to the President.

Have there been any President in the history who have done this by himself ?

Markus

August · 02-07-19, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

A question on this writing speeches to the President.

Have there been any President in the history who have done this by himself ?

Markus

Abraham Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address. But that would be the only one I am sure of. I would hazard to guess that every State of the Union speech, whoever wrote it, is looked at by multiple people beforehand.

Dowly · 02-08-19, 03:37 AM

I've nothing against written speeches, just in this case it was Trump saying things we all know he doesn't himsel believe in.

ikalugin · 02-08-19, 03:59 AM

Things such as?

Dowly · 02-08-19, 04:13 AM

Such as calls for compromise. Trump doesn't compromise unless he wins.

u crank · 02-08-19, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Such as calls for compromise. Trump doesn't compromise unless he wins.

I don't think that politicians and especially the President are elected to compromise. They were elected to carry out the political agenda that they campaigned on and were voted into office for. Making deals is part of the process but requires good faith on the part of both parties involved. Have we seen that good faith compromise on the part of the Democratic party and their dealings with the President?

Catfish · 02-08-19, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

[...] They were elected to carry out the political agenda that they campaigned on and were voted into office for. [...]

OMG! Better not!

Dowly · 02-08-19, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

I don't think that politicians and especially the President are elected to compromise.

Well, Trump called for compromises. Does that make him a bad President?

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Have we seen that good faith compromise on the part of the Democratic party and their dealings with the President?

Dems have been willing to fund Trump's stupid wall in exchange for proper a DACA solution (i.e. not an extension, but a permanent solution). Think the highest Dems have gone was $25B?

u crank · 02-08-19, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

OMG! Better not!

So you are opposed to the democratic process?

u crank · 02-08-19, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Well, Trump called for compromises. Does that make him a bad President?

I guess that depends on which side of the argument you are on. Obviously Trump needs to get things done. And just as obvious are his political opponents desire to prevent that. It's a fine line that Presidents have to walk. Getting things done but not disappointing the people that elected him. If this was Trump's second term or he wasn't running in 2020 things would probably be different.

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Dems have been willing to fund Trump's stupid wall in exchange for proper a DACA solution (i.e. not an extension, but a permanent solution). Think the highest Dems have gone was $25B?

And he probably should have taken it but again the disapproval from his base would have been quite severe. The other side of the argument is that Dems are now against a position on border security that they were in favor of just a few years ago. Politics.

Dowly · 02-08-19, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

The other side of the argument is that Dems are now against a position on border security that they were in favor of just a few years ago.

Democrats were in favor of a fence. Trump wants a wall.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...wall-position/

u crank · 02-08-19, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Democrats were in favor of a fence. Trump wants a wall.

Their position wasn't just about a wall or fence. It was about illegal immigration on the southern border. Their past position is remarkably similar to Trump's present position.

Democratic Party platform 1996:

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“We cannot tolerate illegal immigration and we must stop it … (At the border before Bill Clinton) drugs flowed freely. Illegal immigration was rampant. Criminal immigrants, deported after committing crimes in America, returned the very next day to commit crimes again. … We continue to firmly oppose welfare benefits for illegal immigrants. We believe family members who sponsor immigrants into this country should take financial responsibility for them, and be held legally responsible for supporting them.”

Barack Obama, 2005:

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“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the U.S. undocumented, undetected, unchecked, circumventing the people who are waiting patiently, diligently, lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

Hillary Clinton, 2014:

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“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in and I do think you have to control your borders.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer, 2009:

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“People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who enter the U.S. legally. The American people will never accept immigration reform unless they truly believe that their government is committed to ending future illegal immigration.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 2008:

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“We do need to address the issue of immigration and the challenge we have of undocumented people in our country. We certainly do not want any more coming in.”

Sen. Bernie Sanders, 2007:

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“I don’t know why we need millions of people to be coming into the country who will work for lower wages than American workers and drives wages down even lower than they are right now.”

Dowly · 02-08-19, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Their position wasn't just about a wall or fence. It was about illegal immigration on the southern border. Their past position is remarkably similar to Trump's present position.

How have their position changed with regards to border security? (honest question)

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,944 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	A question on this writing speeches to the President. Have there been any President in the history who have done this by himself ? Markus

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I've nothing against written speeches, just in this case it was Trump saying things we all know he doesn't himsel believe in.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Such as calls for compromise. Trump doesn't compromise unless he wins.