Crew Fatigue and You

Malwulf · 03-19-20, 10:37 PM

Hello all,

I just recently got my copy of Silent Hunter 3 properly modded and just discovered the glory that is SH3 Commander! The amount of options is absolutely amazing, however I am a bit concerned regarding the 'Fatigue Model'.

I am using the latest version of GWX which appears to have its own modified Fatigue System, however coming from Silent Hunter 5 I have not really dealt with a system like this before. So to my question:

As a new player (who goes for realism) would you advise using the GWX Fatigue Model or disabling the Fatigue system entirely? I just started a patrol using the GWX system and discovered that I have no replacement officers for when they get tired, so this has caused a bit of confusion. Should I draft more crew when starting a new patrol?

Long story short: GWX Fatigue system worth it, or should I just disable Fatigue so the gameplay is more like SH4, SH5?

Thanks in advance!

Fifi · 03-20-20, 12:53 AM

Fatigue model is a bit screwed up by time compression...
After quick search on forum, you’ll find few threads about that, and nice explanations: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=159822

Kpt. Lehmann · 03-20-20, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Malwulf

Hello all,

I just recently got my copy of Silent Hunter 3 properly modded and just discovered the glory that is SH3 Commander! The amount of options is absolutely amazing, however I am a bit concerned regarding the 'Fatigue Model'.

I am using the latest version of GWX which appears to have its own modified Fatigue System, however coming from Silent Hunter 5 I have not really dealt with a system like this before. So to my question:

As a new player (who goes for realism) would you advise using the GWX Fatigue Model or disabling the Fatigue system entirely? I just started a patrol using the GWX system and discovered that I have no replacement officers for when they get tired, so this has caused a bit of confusion. Should I draft more crew when starting a new patrol?

Long story short: GWX Fatigue system worth it, or should I just disable Fatigue so the gameplay is more like SH4, SH5?

Thanks in advance!

Ultimately in the end, it will really come down to your interpretation of realism. SH3 like any game, SH3 forced us all on many occasions to build workarounds. Take your time and read through the link Fifi posted. That being said, although we don't have the gorgeous graphic candy that SH5 does, SH3 has immersion in spades!

Welcome aboard.

Levyathan89 · 03-20-20, 08:43 AM

I've always played without fatigue. To me, it's a feature that makes things more difficult, but not more entertaining. Playing with manual targeting, for instance, makes things harder, but also more fun. Constantly dragging crew members around because they're tired to me is nothing but annoying. However, that's just my opinion, other players like the crew management system.

John Pancoast · 03-20-20, 10:50 AM

I'm a fan of the Rub and NYGM systems. But only by experimenting will you decide which if any you like.

Malwulf · 03-20-20, 07:25 PM

Thank you all for the replies and links!

One follow up question: If I have GWX installed, do I need to activate the 8 hour fatigue model through SH3 Commander? Or is the new 8 hour fatigue model technically the new 'default' since I installed GWX?

In other words, is the GWX default fatigue and GWX 8 hour through Commander the same thing? Do I need to activate it through Commander?

Also, do you recommend maxing out the amount of crew on board when starting a career? They always seem a bit understaffed and I do not know if that is intentional with GWX or SH3C?

Hope this makes sense and thank you all again!

Kpt. Lehmann · 03-20-20, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malwulf

Thank you all for the replies and links!

One follow up question: If I have GWX installed, do I need to activate the 8 hour fatigue model through SH3 Commander? Or is the new 8 hour fatigue model technically the new 'default' since I installed GWX?

In other words, is the GWX default fatigue and GWX 8 hour through Commander the same thing? Do I need to activate it through Commander?

Also, do you recommend maxing out the amount of crew on board when starting a career? They always seem a bit understaffed and I do not know if that is intentional with GWX or SH3C?

Hope this makes sense and thank you all again!

GWX 8 hour is the default. However, it is modified by a number of conditions. Read the GWX manual regarding influences on crew fatigue in GWX. Pages 58-61.

Kpt. Lehmann · 03-20-20, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

I'm a fan of the Rub and NYGM systems. But only by experimenting will you decide which if any you like.

If you prefer anything other than GWX, your friends won't love you anymore.

John Pancoast · 03-20-20, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

If you prefer anything other than GWX, your friends won't love you anymore.

Not a problem; I like GWX too..........but I use the Rub or NYGM fatigue/crew models with it

Kpt. Lehmann · 03-20-20, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Not a problem; I like GWX too..........but I use the Rub or NYGM fatigue/crew models with it

Such heresy! Someone get the dish rack!
(No one expects the Lehmann Inquisition!

)

John Pancoast · 03-20-20, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Such heresy! Someone get the dish rack!
(No one expects the Lehmann Inquisition!

)

NOOOOOOO !!!!! Not the dish rack !!!! You promised never again !!

UKönig · 03-21-20, 12:30 AM

Historically, the crew stood watches lasting 4 hours, except the engine room crew, which lasted for 6.
In really bad weather, the captain could authorize a reduction for the bridge watch to 2 hours, and of course, if the sub was at battle stations then the crew would stay on duty for as long as required.
I'm too lazy to pay attention to such details, so if I remember I will follow the rules, but I am a bit of a rogue, and if I forget, it's all good.
If the crew is really burned out, then I will dive, and let them rest in peace until their fatigue and morale improves.

HootOwl · 04-10-20, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Not a problem; I like GWX too..........but I use the Rub or NYGM fatigue/crew models with it

John,

Where can I find the NYGM fatigue/crew mod?? I've searched extensively and can't find anything that isn't a dead link from 2006. I'd love to incorporate it into my SH3 Commander for GWX.

Thanks!

John Pancoast · 04-10-20, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HootOwl

John,

Where can I find the NYGM fatigue/crew mod?? I've searched extensively and can't find anything that isn't a dead link from 2006. I'd love to incorporate it into my SH3 Commander for GWX.

Thanks!

I have it on my media fire account, here you go. Let me know if any problems.

HootOwl · 04-10-20, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

I have it on my media fire account, here you go. Let me know if any problems.

John,

Thanks! So looking through the documentation, I need to edit the Menu.ini, install the mod with JSGME, and then edit the cfg files in SH3 Commander?

Thanks again!

03-19-20, 10:37 PM	#1
Malwulf Seaman Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 39 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Crew Fatigue and You Hello all, I just recently got my copy of Silent Hunter 3 properly modded and just discovered the glory that is SH3 Commander! The amount of options is absolutely amazing, however I am a bit concerned regarding the 'Fatigue Model'. I am using the latest version of GWX which appears to have its own modified Fatigue System, however coming from Silent Hunter 5 I have not really dealt with a system like this before. So to my question: As a new player (who goes for realism) would you advise using the GWX Fatigue Model or disabling the Fatigue system entirely? I just started a patrol using the GWX system and discovered that I have no replacement officers for when they get tired, so this has caused a bit of confusion. Should I draft more crew when starting a new patrol? Long story short: GWX Fatigue system worth it, or should I just disable Fatigue so the gameplay is more like SH4, SH5? Thanks in advance!

03-20-20, 12:53 AM	#2
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,733 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Fatigue model is a bit screwed up by time compression... After quick search on forum, you’ll find few threads about that, and nice explanations: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=159822 __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/hc2bu...N_V5.6.7z/file

03-20-20, 10:50 AM	#5
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,183 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 4	I'm a fan of the Rub and NYGM systems. But only by experimenting will you decide which if any you like. __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper

03-20-20, 07:25 PM	#6
Malwulf Seaman Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 39 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Thank you all for the replies and links! One follow up question: If I have GWX installed, do I need to activate the 8 hour fatigue model through SH3 Commander? Or is the new 8 hour fatigue model technically the new 'default' since I installed GWX? In other words, is the GWX default fatigue and GWX 8 hour through Commander the same thing? Do I need to activate it through Commander? Also, do you recommend maxing out the amount of crew on board when starting a career? They always seem a bit understaffed and I do not know if that is intentional with GWX or SH3C? Hope this makes sense and thank you all again! Last edited by Malwulf; 03-20-20 at 08:19 PM.

03-21-20, 12:30 AM	#12
UKönig Captain Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 495 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Historically, the crew stood watches lasting 4 hours, except the engine room crew, which lasted for 6. In really bad weather, the captain could authorize a reduction for the bridge watch to 2 hours, and of course, if the sub was at battle stations then the crew would stay on duty for as long as required. I'm too lazy to pay attention to such details, so if I remember I will follow the rules, but I am a bit of a rogue, and if I forget, it's all good. If the crew is really burned out, then I will dive, and let them rest in peace until their fatigue and morale improves. __________________ Because I'm the captain, that's why!

03-20-20, 08:43 AM	#4
Levyathan89 Soundman Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Dresden, Germany Posts: 147 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	I've always played without fatigue. To me, it's a feature that makes things more difficult, but not more entertaining. Playing with manual targeting, for instance, makes things harder, but also more fun. Constantly dragging crew members around because they're tired to me is nothing but annoying. However, that's just my opinion, other players like the crew management system.