Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

The Russians have offered the EU 100 million doses of their Sputinik-V once they are through with their major efforts of mass-vaccinating their own population. The EU and EMA are considering it.

The Russians say it has an efficiency of 92%, according to this text in the German Pharmazeutischen Zeitung:

https://www.pharmazeutische-zeitung....irksam-121796/

A new American jab by Novax reported an efficiency of 89% against the "old" form of Covid-19, but no protection against the mutated form of the virus.

A new jab by Johnson&Johnson owned Belgian company Janssen reports an efficiency of 66%. It should prevent even 85% of severe cases. they aim at producing 1 billion doses htis year, they say. The approach of their design is the same like with the AZ vaccine.

German RKI warns that the more vaccinating is being done, the more mutations there will be.

[Jimbuna]

Portugal has tightened its coronavirus lockdown, banning all non-essential travel abroad and hiring foreign medics, as hospitals struggle and deaths reach record highs. Portugal reported a record 303 deaths and 16,432 new cases on Thursday.

A row has erupted in Paris over a hospital union’s allegation that civil servants are getting Covid vaccinations, despite older medical staff being first in the queue.

New Czech measures to stop people mixing come in at midnight tonight. People will no longer be allowed to take family members on trips to rented cottages and pass them off as business trips. The wearing of higher-protection FFP2 masks is being recommended on public transport too.

Germany has reported a fall in infections over the past week and says the current transmission rate is down to 94.4 per 100,000 inhabitants, according to health officials. However, 839 further deaths have been reported in the past 24 hours.

[Jimbuna]

UK's R number now at 0.7-1.1

The R rate - the average number of people each person with Covid-19 goes on to infect - for the UK is now estimated to be between 0.7 and 1.1.

Last week the figure was 0.8-1.

The estimates for R and the growth rate are provided by the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M), a sub-group of Sage, and published by the Department of Health and Social Care.

[Jimbuna]

I really don't think they had any choice.

EU drugs regulator approves AstraZeneca vaccine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55862233

Next move: Stop or restrict exports from the EU?

[Moonlight]

I wonder how many unseen brown envelopes have been handed out, there's money to be made from this China Virus and the little people are not getting any of it.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Simply wondering what response this will bring.

Brexit: EU introduces controls on vaccines to NI

The EU is introducing export controls on vaccines made in the bloc, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.

Under Northern Ireland's Brexit deal all products should be exported from the EU to NI without checks or controls.

But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.

DUP leader Arlene Foster described the move as "an incredible act of hostility" by the EU.

The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

[Catfish]

I'm not sure, maybe this fits better in the UK thread. Seems it has not so much to do with the vaccine but with customs (?)

https://translate.google.com/transla...fer-1030007904



I just read that the EU already announced restrictions for the export of (any) vaccines to NI already in october, 2020.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Simply wondering what response this will bring.

Hehe, that article 16 thing was a short fuse that did not need to burn for long before going booom, eh?!

[Catfish]

Long read but some ecellent points, translation by Google:

Why Europe can ban better than vaccinate

Ironically, chaots like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson overtake the EU in vaccination. So would a little more nationalism have done us good? Under no circumstance!

A comment by Alan Posener


If the European Union had wanted to give the beleaguered Brexiteers a present: they couldn't have invented a better one than the European vaccination disaster. Fish and fresh meat from the United Kingdom are rotting in trucks because of the new customs formalities; The British Ministry of Commerce recommends desperate British companies to set up European branches, i.e. to cut jobs at home and create them in the EU in order to be able to continue to supply their European customers; and from London an exodus towards Europe has started. But when it comes to corona vaccination, Great Britain beats the EU by far, and Boris Johnson's government never tires of presenting this lead as a Brexit advantage. Whatever he is. If the British were still EU citizens, they would be like us: instead of vaccination, wait for Godot.

Secret glee: This is how one could have rewritten the attitude of many Europeans in the face of Donald Trump's death toll from the USA. In fact, it was the virus that broke the political neck of the economically successful populist. But in the meantime it has been shown that when Trump praised his administration for its preparatory work on vaccination, he for once did not lie. Despite a health system that is unworthy of developed capitalist democracy, Americans are ahead of haughty Europeans when it comes to vaccinating.

And Israel, the country many Europeans love to hate, leads the world in vaccination. Some critics of Israel tried to start the fairy tale that the Jewish state refused to give Palestinians the vaccine. But then it turned out that the Palestinian self-government responsible for health has, out of anger over the Trump peace plan, stopped the joint preparation for a vaccination campaign and instead relied on Russian deliveries.

According to Statista, on January 27, the number of people vaccinated per 100 inhabitants in Israel was 45, in Great Britain 11, in the USA 7.45, in Germany a shameful 2 - in words: two. In the EU, corrupt Malta is in the best position with 4.29 vaccinated per 100 inhabitants, but still behind Serbia, which, like Palestine, injects the Russian substance.

What does European failure tell us? Would Germany be better off if - as at the beginning of the pandemic, when Angela Merkel's government imposed an export ban on masks and protective suits - had acted nationalistically instead of European? Is nationalist more patriotic in the end, as the nationalist governments of Trump, Johnson and Netanyahu seem to be proving?

The EU Commission has failed

That would be the wrong lesson from the vaccination disaster for several reasons. First: Boris Johnson is in good shape when it comes to vaccines, not because he acted nationally, but because he acted early. The same applies to Netanyahu, who, like Trump, also offered a good price, while the EU Commission, ignoring elementary market laws, believed it could secure a volume discount. But those who offer a product enjoy producer surplus as long as the supply is scarce and the demand is high; only when many providers fight for a shrinking market will there be a consumer surplus.

Second, like an overly cautious investor, the EU Commission relied on many companies, including some losers who are now unable or unable to deliver. Bad luck, on the one hand. On the other hand, there is a persistent rumor that some European governments have put pressure behind the scenes in favor of their national champions: France in favor of Sanofi, Germany in favor of CureVac. In this way, intra-European nationalism would be at least partially responsible for the wrong European decisions.

Third, we are experiencing the negative consequences of nationalism in the tragic comedy about the vaccine developed by AstraZeneca in Great Britain. In May 2020, the UK government wrote in the contract with AstraZeneca that UK-made vaccine would be offered to the UK first. One can criticize that. One can point out that the BioNTech vaccine is invented in Germany and manufactured in Belgium, and one can wonder how Johnson would be if the EU had written similar conditions into its contracts with the manufacturers.

But the point is that the EU signed contracts far too late: with AstraZeneca in August, with BionNTech in November. And the current dispute, in which the EU Commission AstraZeneca threatens legal means because of the lack of deliveries and dark of a possible
It is probably no coincidence that the USA, Israel and Great Britain are doing well compared to most EU countries when it comes to vaccination, but not at all when it comes to the number of infections and deaths. In other words: When it comes to restrictions, rules and bans, things work quite well in the EU. When it comes to innovations and their use, less. It is no coincidence that Europe is - and rightly - a pioneer in regulating the large tech companies, but has not developed Google, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, TikTok or Alibaba itself. That Europe has proclaimed an energy transition, but that European car companies are still lagging behind Tesla in terms of electromobility. That even where we are top, with the vaccine, we do not take courage and show the world an example of European efficiency and solidarity, but hesitate, hesitate, save and then complain and blame others. I say "we" because we are Europe. It is our commission that has failed here.

The vaccination disaster and the federal election
And it's about more than the internal competition between the EU, the USA, Great Britain and Israel. The United Arab Emirates have the second highest vaccination rate in the world - with the Chinese vaccine from Sinovac, which is also used in Turkey, Indonesia, Brazil and the Philippines. The Russian Sputnik-V vaccine was ordered by Palestine and Serbia, Venezuela and EU member Hungary, among others, although the test data have not yet been published.

Yes, Angela Merkel has already "offered" the Russian state investment fund a joint production of the vaccine: a language that paraphrases a cry for help. If it is not possible to vaccinate the majority of the population in Germany by the summer and restore a reasonably normal public life, the Union will be in poor shape in the federal election in autumn. But how can one counter the Russian kleptocracy and its imperial ambitions when the health of the population and the political survival of the Christian Democrats depend on Russian vaccine?

So in the age of the "vaccine wars", more nationalism is not only not the answer, it is downright self-destructive. If the western states cannot agree on a joint effort to increase the production and administration of the vaccines developed, tested and approved here and to distribute them to the hitherto neglected states of South Asia, South America and Africa, the European vaccination disaster is likely to be followed by a western diplomatic disaster, that could overshadow the consequences of the Trump years and Brexit.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Russians have offered the EU 100 million doses of their Sputinik-V once they are through with their major efforts of mass-vaccinating their own population. The EU and EMA are considering it.

The Russians say it has an efficiency of 92%, according to this text in the German Pharmazeutischen Zeitung:

https://www.pharmazeutische-zeitung....irksam-121796/

A new American jab by Novax reported an efficiency of 89% against the "old" form of Covid-19, but no protection against the mutated form of the virus.

A new jab by Johnson&Johnson owned Belgian company Janssen reports an efficiency of 66%. It should prevent even 85% of severe cases. they aim at producing 1 billion doses htis year, they say. The approach of their design is the same like with the AZ vaccine.

German RKI warns that the more vaccinating is being done, the more mutations there will be.

My assumption is that any vaccine is better than no vaccine, so this buy may make sense, provided the pricing is not retarded.


RDIF is probably going to squeeze somewhat though, because ROI is important.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Long read but some ecellent points, translation by Google:

Why Europe can ban better than vaccinate

Ironically, chaots [...] to the hitherto neglected states of South Asia, South America and Africa, the European vaccination disaster is likely to be followed by a western diplomatic disaster, that could overshadow the consequences of the Trump years and Brexit.

Okay, lets practice human sacrifice for the noble EU utopia! Hooray! Any comrades volunteering? Catfish, maybe? Mind to risk infection, serious health consequences and death to push the EU?

[Catfish]

^ I guess i "volunteer" as much as you do?
Why didn't you move over to the UK promised land in time? Apart from this it seems you read the first and the last line, congratulations.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

My assumption is that any vaccine is better than no vaccine, so this buy may make sense, provided the pricing is not retarded.
RDIF is probably going to squeeze somewhat though, because ROI is important.

'Sputnik' seems to be not bad at all, also it has the same vectoral approach as the Astra-Zeneca type of vaccine afaik

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ I guess i "volunteer" as much as you do?
Why didn't you move over to the UK promised land in time?

Your reply has nothing to do with my suggestion before, and is purely rhetorical.