US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Sonoma County will put in place mandatory face mask use in all businesses for staff and customers starting this Friday. I believe Marin County put this in place a week ago although I don't get local news feeds.

These aren't isolated "Mandatory orders", cities and counties across the country are putting them in place. And for no more reason then they are frightened.

[Jimbuna]

I fear it will already be too late and here in the UK an earlier opportunity on travel restrictions etc. was allowed to go by the wayside, we had between two and three weeks notice from what we witnessed not only in China but countries much closer like Italy and Spain in particular.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by MaDef

These aren't isolated "Mandatory orders", cities and counties across the country are putting them in place. And for no more reason then they are frightened.

Good, they should be.
https://socoemergency.org/order-of-t...ial-coverings/

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Good, they should be.
https://socoemergency.org/order-of-t...ial-coverings/

No they shouldn't.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by MaDef

No they shouldn't.

Good luck with that, I'll wear the mask.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Good luck with that, I'll wear the mask.

When the mortality rate hits 15-20% regardless of age or pre existing medical condition, I'll re-assess.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm beginning to wonder if Trump is thinking of putting the USA into a position resembling isolationism.

That's going to interfere with my "cheap" hedonistic retirement plans.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by MaDef

When the mortality rate hits 15-20% regardless of age or pre existing medical condition, I'll re-assess.

Smeesh, if that happens, you'll have to do a lot more than re-assess. If mortality rate of a pandemic were to hit 15-20% with the incubation and transmission rates of Covid-19, you'll be in the middle of a societal collapse. Our society is only three days without food away from chaos.

“The fact is that the best way for people to avoid the virus will be to stay home. But if everyone does this – or if too many people try to stockpile supplies after a crisis begins – the impact of even a relatively minor pandemic could quickly multiply.

Especially vital are “hubs” – the people whose actions link all the rest. Take truck drivers. When a strike blocked petrol deliveries from the UK’s oil refineries for 10 days in 2000, nearly a third of motorists ran out of fuel, some train and bus services were cancelled, shops began to run out of food, hospitals were reduced to running minimal services, hazardous waste piled up, and bodies went unburied. Afterwards, a study by Alan McKinnon of Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh, UK, predicted huge economic losses and a rapid deterioration in living conditions if all road haulage in the UK shut down for just a week.

What would happen in a pandemic when many truckers are sick, dead or too scared to work? Even a small impact on road haulage would quickly have severe knock-on effects [because of] just-in-time delivery. Over the past few decades, people who use or sell commodities from coal to aspirin have stopped keeping large stocks, because to do so is expensive. They rely instead on frequent small deliveries.

Cities typically have only three days’ worth of food, and the old saying about civilizations being just three or four meals away from anarchy is taken seriously by security agencies such as MI5 in the UK.

Interdependencies: Coal mines need electricity to keep working. Pumping oil through pipelines and water through mains also requires electricity. Making electricity depends largely on coal; getting coal depends on electricity; they all need refineries and key people; the people need transport, food and clean water. If one part of the system starts to fail, the whole lot could go. Hydro and nuclear power are less vulnerable to disruptions in supply, but they still depend on highly trained staff. With no electricity, shops will be unable to keep food refrigerated even if they get deliveries. Their tills won’t work either. Many consumers won’t be able to cook what food they do have. With no chlorine, water-borne diseases could strike just as it becomes hard to boil water. Communications could start to break down as radio and TV broadcasters, phone systems and the internet fall victim to power cuts and absent staff. This could cripple the global financial system, right down to local cash machines, and will greatly complicate attempts to maintain order and get systems up and running again.”

Farmers, ranchers, food plant workers, truck drivers, grocery workers - with a 15% CFR they stop working. You'll get hungry.

[mapuc]

Can he do that ?

This was the headline I saw on CNN before I turned my tv off
"Trump threaten to adjourn the Congress if they do not agree with him."

Can he do that ?
Adjourn the Congress during a State of Emergency, which he did some weeks ago.



Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can he do that ?

This was the headline I saw on CNN before I turned my tv off
"Trump threaten to adjourn the Congress if they do not agree with him."

Can he do that ?
Adjourn the Congress during a State of Emergency, which he did some weeks ago.



Markus

I hope he can, even more so if he can do it and stop them getting any pay or benefits right now.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can he do that ?

This was the headline I saw on CNN before I turned my tv off
"Trump threaten to adjourn the Congress if they do not agree with him."

Can he do that ?
Adjourn the Congress during a State of Emergency, which he did some weeks ago.



Markus

I don't think he can or he would have tried it already while looking for his ermine robes.

[Rockstar]

It was NOT said in any seriousness. Agree or disagree in my opinion it was simply just good old fashioned politicking. An attempt to drive home his desire of getting his nominees appointed.



Same crap different day

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't think he can or he would have tried it already while looking for his ermine robes.

Article II section 3 of the constitution actually states that the president has the power to both convene congress and adjourn them. The caveat, It's very specific and limited.

in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper

In layman terms He can tell them to go home for the night, and be back at 0900 in the morning.

As for calling congress back into session, Presidents have done that 27 times.
President adams was the first in 1797, and President Truman was the last in 1948.

25 of those times were to deal with specific issues. Truman however, used it as a political maneuver to win a 2nd term.

[mapuc]

Thank you for your answer to my question.

The answer you gave generated another question

So a President can adjourn or convene the Congress
My question is:
Is there a limit to this adjourn or convene of the Congress ?

Markus

[MaDef]

Yes, following is the full text of article II section 3:


He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Please note the words "extraordinary Occasions". This pandemic qualifies.
Had congress been in recess Trump could have called them back,
Congress was already sitting so there was no need to "convene" them.