UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

In my Inbox not two minutes ago.

This is it.

Last night's victory was a vital step in preventing a disastrous No Deal Brexit. And once that is secured, we'll head towards a General Election.

With our country on the brink of crashing out of the EU, we're doing everything in our power to stop a No Deal Brexit. And we're ready for the fight of our lives to win a Labour government. While the Tories have a war chest built by their billionaire backers, our fight will be won by donations from hundreds of thousands of people just like you.



Jim, we're ready. Labour has spent all summer organising in communities, outlining radical policies, and mobilising an army of volunteers ready for the fight that is about to begin.

Together, we're building the biggest people-driven, people-funded campaign our country has ever seen. And it'll be possible because of you.



This government is in crisis. This country is in chaos. This can't go on. We need to win a Labour government.

Thanks for all your support,

Team Labour

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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

Sod it, he could not get that right. I was hoping Lary the cat got the job.

What if

1. No no-deal Brexit law gets passed today,
2. Johnson does not get 2/3 majority for elections,

and so Johnson simply refuses to carry out the law, refuses to ask in Brussel for delay of Brexit until I think January?
If he refuses to carry out the "law" - I wonder anyhow how a singular political tactical move could be turned into a law - what would be the sanctions and consequences?

The British parliament has turned itself into a big heap of dog poo over the past 18 months or so. Hilarious. Treacherous. Disgusting. A shame and a disgrace for British history.

The only good thing is that mercilessly the always inherent deficts and flaws of the system itself get unmasked, finally.

In Bejing and Moscow I am sure they cannot stop laughing. Its so good to see the Europeans dismantling themselves, and even messing up the dismantling process. Busy with themselves, they cannot form the will and the means to seriously get in Russia'S and China'S economic and geopolitical ways.

[Jimbuna]

^ Anyones guess Sky.

It will be a miracle if this mess ever gets sorted out.

Labour aren't confident of winning a general election in light of their low standing in recent polls but would like the chance anyway.

What they really fear is the possibility that Johnson will set a date for after October 31st which as Prime Minister he is entitled to do.

[STEED]

Jim you sure that was your inbox and not your spam box?

PMQ's is a joke today just look at them trying to out do it other, London zoo 2.

One SKY political reporter thinks Bojo will withdraw Article 50.

[Jimbuna]

Nope, definitely my Inbox because being an ex party member I havn't unsubscribed.

I enjoy the entertainment value

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-49568760


Legal defeat in first round for anti-prorogation activists.

[Jimbuna]

That's just the beginning, "The group of MPs and peers behind the legal challenge, who are headed by SNP MP Joanna Cherry and Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, have said they will appeal against the ruling.

Their legal team will return to the court on Wednesday afternoon to ask judges at the Inner House to hear the appeal, potentially on Thursday."

[mapuc]

I still say what I have written a few times earlier in this thread.

The paragraphs about a members exit from its EU - membership

Must be rewritten

A country leave on one of following two days

30th of June
or
31th of December

First after a country have left, the country and EU can discuss, further deals and agreement.

Markus

[skidman]

Originally Posted by mapuc

To make it short-Great Britain is now under EU's Control.
Markus

Sorry, but this is malodorous BS. The EU has remained very very quiet in the last days. Actually the continent is rolling the eyes in view of the unworthy farce that takes place in the motherland of democracy.

Tomorrow the Peers will filibuster through 92 modification applications to the no-no-deal-law (and there is no need for Steed, Skybird and You to get upset here: Nobody voted for them, they got their positions because of their DNA. What an advanced procedure!).

Poor BoJo: There is a German saying that fits perfectly: He jumped as a tiger and landed as a bedside carpet.

[skidman]

Just a request: Could one of the honourable members please suggest legislation to have Rees-Mogg hanged, drawn and quartered. Thank You!

[STEED]

Fantastic no general election woohoo they got something right in the middle of this pig swill mess.

Carry on Commons the new comedy show taking the world by storm.

[Skybird]

This insidious hypocrisy on display makes me puke. The past two days have taught a very, very lot about the essence and nature of politics. These lectures make puking in disgust all day long the answer to the old question of what the meaning of life is.

[mapuc]

Boris shall, what I understand make a deal with EU, which the English parliament can agree on.

Now I wonder, as I do a lot.

EU will not change their part of this deal

The Parliament seems to be in a situation where they can't agree on anything regarding the Brexit.

So what type of deal is it the Parliament really want ?

It can't be this backstop, because even here they seems to disagree

Markus

[Skybird]

Maybe you have not understood it. Parliament does not want a Brexit at all. They only do not want to get called out when preventing it. They always wanted to steal the referendum and hollow out the meaning of Brexit - without getting held responsible for having done that. They think the parliament is more relevant than the people, and they never accepted the referendum's outcome.

Johnson cannot make a new deal with the EU. Parliament has just cut the legs under the table, as somebody put it, he is weaponless and has no pressure tools left. That was what the idea behind the past days moves were. It was about paralysing Johnson and forcing to crawl on knees to Brussel , so that he makes a joke of himself, because kneeling or not, he would not get anythign anyway, completing his own defeat by that display. They want him to be as hilarious as May acted, knowing that that way he would be too weak to reach anything.


Parliament does not want a Brexit woirth the meaning of the word "exit". It never wanted that


EU does not want a Brexit either. For them the Backstop-Brexit is the king's road to get a meaningless alibi of a pseudo-Brexit that is no Brexit but leaves the UK bound to the eU, prevents it from doing its own trade deals, and surrenders it to the customs union, the regime of the eU court, and certain other rules of the eU, it would be as if Brexit leads UK just to give up rights, while maintaining almost all its duties - and for this they should even pay a divorce bill - while additionally paying yearly fees like a member. Backstop is all the eU ever wanted: the possibility to keep the UK gagged and bound forever, without time limitation. Let the plebs in the streets think they exited from the EU - fact would be it had not, and that is what counts!

Parliament is on side of the EU. They always were by majority, they always wanted to reject or ignore or weasel around the referendum.

All sides want things that are mutually exclusive. Johnson has understood that. Thats why he tried so bitterly to break parliament. The little Matrxist and terrorist-friend on the other side of the chamber wants to weasel himself into No.10. thats why he is so underhandedly and hypocritically sneaking around on steptoes and plays the innocent.

They have to fight this out and one side has to die. There can be no compromise, and there must be no prisoners taken. Another thing that Johnson has understood, thats why he mowed down the rebels without hesitation. Scenarios where comprises are not posssble without compromising the whole cause, are possible to exist, and this is such a one.

Johnson probably calculated form beginning on to lose the four votes the past two days, he is not totally stupid. He wants elections with the wind of pro Brexit voters in his sail, who moved to Farrage and now shall return to Tories in force, giving them a strong victory and dominance in parliament. What he then wants, is unclear to me.Either he wants to get around this new no-no-deal Brexit law, or he hopes such a result would give him stronger authority against Brussel, which i doubt Brussel would be impressed by. Mind you, I think, Johnson just populistically posed as a Brexiteer before the referendum, and then was crushed like all others by that it was successful. He does want Brexit as much as most of the parliament: not at all. However, he also wants to save his face.

The little marxist however will do whatever harm and sneaking is necessary to leave Johnson no space to move at ANY direction, and will continue to play the innocent.This carricature makes me furious just by the body language of his already. Every move, every gesture, every posture, every mimic expression has "fake" written all over it. Slimey creepers like this make me furious.

[STEED]

Bojo made a massive mistake sacking those 21 MP's this has shocked the moderate voter and lets face facts the moderate voter is the lion share of voters.

It already coming to light in some of those constituencies of those 21 are backing them so they cou.d be Inp Con candidates splitting the vote even more if there is a general election.

Boris is a fool listening to psycho Dominick who cares not about anything apart from himself.