US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 330

Rockstar · 01-05-23, 11:57 PM

Either that we get more of this

Buddahaid · 01-06-23, 12:08 AM

Buddahaid · 01-06-23, 01:07 AM

Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants? They can't get anywhere close to offering an alternative to McCarthy and yet they won't accept him so no speaker.

One view I've encountered is they are just jockeying for power in the vacuum left by Trump's departure leaving them with nobody to back, not having any policy to fall back on, and hoping to maneuver themselves into more senior roles come 2024.

Ostfriese · 01-06-23, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants? They can't get anywhere close to offering an alternative to McCarthy and yet they won't accept him so no speaker.

I don't think they have any idea about what they want themselves, and certainly not anything they agree on.
They oppose, they are against it because "being against something" is basically everything they are capable of. Producing chaos is much simpler than producing order.
If they wanted something productive, a true goal to achieve, they'd have to put thoughts and consideration into it, they'd have to convice others, and that would drive away the simple minds that voted for them.

Buddahaid · 01-06-23, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese

I don't think they have any idea about what they want themselves, and certainly not anything they agree on.
They oppose, they are against it because "being against something" is basically everything they are capable of. Producing chaos is much simpler than producing order.
If they wanted something productive, a true goal to achieve, they'd have to put thoughts and consideration into it, they'd have to convice others, and that would drive away the simple minds that voted for them.

In other words, the Freedom Caucus doesn't have any policy to offer.

Ostfriese · 01-06-23, 03:50 AM

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In other words, the Freedom Caucus doesn't have any policy to offer.

That's my impression, yes.

u crank · 01-06-23, 06:11 AM

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In other words, the Freedom Caucus doesn't have any policy to offer.

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants?

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I don't think they have any idea about what they want themselves, and certainly not anything they agree on.

It is remarkable that in this day and age people lack the ability to find out basic facts about anything.

Took me 30 seconds to find this via Google.

https://perry.house.gov/uploadedfile..._7.25.2022.pdf

Dowly · 01-06-23, 06:52 AM

"What have we become as a political party when 20 people can rule 200 others against their will. Certainly not conservative."
https://twitter.com/SenKevinCramer/s...C-9YqO0NosAAAA

Now, repeat that slowly in your head.

u crank · 01-06-23, 07:20 AM

Ostfriese · 01-06-23, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

It is remarkable that in this day and age people lack the ability to find out basic facts about anything.

Took me 30 seconds to find this via Google.

https://perry.house.gov/uploadedfile..._7.25.2022.pdf

That would be an acceptable answer if yesterday hadn't happened. McCarthy basically conceded everything the Freedom Caucus demanded from him, and still they didn't vote for him.

u crank · 01-06-23, 08:35 AM

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That would be an acceptable answer if yesterday hadn't happened. McCarthy basically conceded everything the Freedom Caucus demanded from him, and still they didn't vote for him.

Hmm, here's a thought. Did it ever occur to you that they don't want Kevin McCarthy as speaker? And that their demands are a way of getting him to drop out of the race? It seems pretty obvious to me and considering the fact that they are on record saying just that seems to back up that idea.

Ostfriese · 01-06-23, 09:07 AM

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Hmm, here's a thought. Did it ever occur to you that they don't want Kevin McCarthy as speaker? And that their demands are a way of getting him to drop out of the race? It seems pretty obvious to me and considering the fact that they are on record saying just that seems to back up that idea.

Who do they want instead? If they had a clear idea about this they would have voted for the same person in every round, but they haven't. They oppose McCarthy for the sake of opposition.

In other words: there's a difference between "we don't want Kevin" and "we want XY, not Kevin".

u crank · 01-06-23, 09:12 AM

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Who do they want instead? If they had a clear idea about this they would have voted for the same person in every round, but they haven't. They oppose McCarthy for the sake of opposition.

In other words: there's a difference between "we don't want Kevin" and "we want XY, not Kevin".

You are right. As of now there isn't another viable candidate. What I wonder is if you realize why they don't want him? And it isn't just for the sake of opposition.

Buddahaid · 01-06-23, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

It is remarkable that in this day and age people lack the ability to find out basic facts about anything.

Took me 30 seconds to find this via Google.

https://perry.house.gov/uploadedfile..._7.25.2022.pdf

What you found is pretty meaningless babble that means they want their own sandbox to play in because they don’t play well with others. Karen philosophy and failure then.

August · 01-06-23, 09:40 AM

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What you found is pretty meaningless babble that means they want their own sandbox to play in because they don’t play well with others. Karen philosophy and failure then.

Meaningless babble? I found it quite readable and agree with several of it's points including it's rejection of omnibus spending bills and the lengthening of the review process.

Maybe you think that letting legislators actually read a bill (especially 1.7 trillion dollar ones) before they are required to vote on it is undemocratic or something?

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01-06-23, 01:07 AM	#4938
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,557 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Does anyone have any idea what the Freedom Caucus wants? They can't get anywhere close to offering an alternative to McCarthy and yet they won't accept him so no speaker. One view I've encountered is they are just jockeying for power in the vacuum left by Trump's departure leaving them with nobody to back, not having any policy to fall back on, and hoping to maneuver themselves into more senior roles come 2024. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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01-06-23, 06:52 AM	#4943
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	"What have we become as a political party when 20 people can rule 200 others against their will. Certainly not conservative." https://twitter.com/SenKevinCramer/s...C-9YqO0NosAAAA Now, repeat that slowly in your head.