First Mission - Heavy Cruiser suicide on Coastal Defense

Rosco74 · 03-26-20, 12:52 AM

Hey,
I launched a new career and I am on my first mission around the Danzig Bay. I was approaching the Danzig port when our Admiral Hipper Heavy Cruiser appeared and ran after the coastal defenses ...
30 minutes later he was down...
Strange captain decision to attack by day time the empty Danzig port... our naval fleet is already so small against British, this loss will be hard to explain.
Just a nice picture below

https://ibb.co/BjYH2gH

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kapuhy · 03-26-20, 05:00 AM

Erich Reader's diary, p.325: "in retrospect, appointing FKpt. Lehroy von Jenkinz commander of Armiral Hipper proved to be a costly mistake"

By the way, Polish coastal defenses at Danzig port are historically inaccurate. Danzig was a "free city" basically ruled by Nazi officials even before the war, only Polish military presence was garrison at Westerplatte Depot, but all it had were one 75mm and two 37 mm guns - not nearly enough to threaten a cruiser.

Rosco74 · 03-26-20, 01:40 PM

Haha this Lehroy probably thought the same and whoever did add this coastal defenses didn't respect history then. Still too bad we already are one heavy cruiser down even before the real start of the war...

Lugermann · 03-26-20, 02:36 PM

In SH5 TwoS, the coastal defences are located in Hel peninsula, not in Danzig city.

Construction of a Polish Navy port at Hel, on the Peninsula's tip, began in 1931, and in 1936 the north section of the Hel Peninsula was officially declared the Hel Fortified Area (Helski Rejon Umocniony). Construction of the fortifications had not been finished before war broke out, but over several months as tensions between Poland and Germany had mounted, the fortifications had been reinforced with provisional earthworks.

The Fortified Area had coastal (anti-ship) and anti-aircraft artillery batteries. The Coastal Artillery Division [pl]'s coastal batteries comprised one battery of 4 152-mm (6.0-inch) guns, two older batteries of 2 105-mm (4.1-inch) guns, and three batteries of 8 75-mm (3.0-inch) guns. The 2nd Naval Anti-aircraft Artillery Division [pl]'s anti-aircraft batteries were equipped with 6 75-mm and 8 40-mm (1.6-inch) guns, 17 machine guns, and two 120-cm (47-inch) searchlights. Infantry cover for the Fortified Area was provided by a Border Defense Corps (KOP) unit – the Hel KOP Battalion [pl] under Major Jan Wiśniewski [pl] – which had several artillery pieces (4 75-mm, and 6 37-mm), 62 machine guns, and 2 large and 9 small mortars. The Coastal Artillery Division was 162 soldiers strong; the 2nd Naval Anti-aircraft Artillery Division, 1,000 soldiers strong; and the KOP battalion, 1,197 soldiers strong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hel

I never seen the Admiral Hipper in the Danzig Bay in the first mission. Always appears the Schleswig-Holstein and her two escorts (Z class destroyers).

kapuhy · 03-26-20, 03:22 PM

If defenses are in Hel, then they are of course accurate.

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Originally Posted by Rosco74

Haha this Lehroy probably thought the same and whoever did add this coastal defenses didn't respect history then. Still too bad we already are one heavy cruiser down even before the real start of the war...

Regardless of these particular defenses accuracy, you might want to rethink your wording. I've pointed out some inacurracies to vdr1981 myself in the past, but I'd never imply their existence means TWoS authors not respecting history. In such a huge project, it would hardly be possible to make sure every ship and structure is 100% historically accurate and I'm very impressed how realistic this mod is compared to stock game and how much work did its authors put into making it so.

Rosco74 · 03-26-20, 04:29 PM

[QUOTE=I never seen the Admiral Hipper in the Danzig Bay in the first mission. Always appears the Schleswig-Holstein and her two escorts (Z class destroyers).[/QUOTE]

I have seen them yes, I spotted the Polish task force and then they came to kill them.

The heavy cruiser event happened the day after.

ps : and sorry for my wording, english is not my native tongue, just one of the 4 other languages I barely speak :p

03-26-20, 12:52 AM	#1
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	First Mission - Heavy Cruiser suicide on Coastal Defense Hey, I launched a new career and I am on my first mission around the Danzig Bay. I was approaching the Danzig port when our Admiral Hipper Heavy Cruiser appeared and ran after the coastal defenses ... 30 minutes later he was down... Strange captain decision to attack by day time the empty Danzig port... our naval fleet is already so small against British, this loss will be hard to explain. Just a nice picture below https://ibb.co/BjYH2gH .

03-26-20, 05:00 AM	#2
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 873 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Erich Reader's diary, p.325: "in retrospect, appointing FKpt. Lehroy von Jenkinz commander of Armiral Hipper proved to be a costly mistake" By the way, Polish coastal defenses at Danzig port are historically inaccurate. Danzig was a "free city" basically ruled by Nazi officials even before the war, only Polish military presence was garrison at Westerplatte Depot, but all it had were one 75mm and two 37 mm guns - not nearly enough to threaten a cruiser. Last edited by kapuhy; 03-26-20 at 06:32 AM.

03-26-20, 02:36 PM	#4
Lugermann Bosun Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 62 Downloads: 208 Uploads: 0	In SH5 TwoS, the coastal defences are located in Hel peninsula, not in Danzig city. Construction of a Polish Navy port at Hel, on the Peninsula's tip, began in 1931, and in 1936 the north section of the Hel Peninsula was officially declared the Hel Fortified Area (Helski Rejon Umocniony). Construction of the fortifications had not been finished before war broke out, but over several months as tensions between Poland and Germany had mounted, the fortifications had been reinforced with provisional earthworks. The Fortified Area had coastal (anti-ship) and anti-aircraft artillery batteries. The Coastal Artillery Division [pl]'s coastal batteries comprised one battery of 4 152-mm (6.0-inch) guns, two older batteries of 2 105-mm (4.1-inch) guns, and three batteries of 8 75-mm (3.0-inch) guns. The 2nd Naval Anti-aircraft Artillery Division [pl]'s anti-aircraft batteries were equipped with 6 75-mm and 8 40-mm (1.6-inch) guns, 17 machine guns, and two 120-cm (47-inch) searchlights. Infantry cover for the Fortified Area was provided by a Border Defense Corps (KOP) unit – the Hel KOP Battalion [pl] under Major Jan Wiśniewski [pl] – which had several artillery pieces (4 75-mm, and 6 37-mm), 62 machine guns, and 2 large and 9 small mortars. The Coastal Artillery Division was 162 soldiers strong; the 2nd Naval Anti-aircraft Artillery Division, 1,000 soldiers strong; and the KOP battalion, 1,197 soldiers strong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hel I never seen the Admiral Hipper in the Danzig Bay in the first mission. Always appears the Schleswig-Holstein and her two escorts (Z class destroyers). __________________ Freiwillig zur Kriegsmarine

03-26-20, 01:40 PM	#3
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Haha this Lehroy probably thought the same and whoever did add this coastal defenses didn't respect history then. Still too bad we already are one heavy cruiser down even before the real start of the war...

03-26-20, 04:29 PM	#6
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	[QUOTE=I never seen the Admiral Hipper in the Danzig Bay in the first mission. Always appears the Schleswig-Holstein and her two escorts (Z class destroyers).[/QUOTE] I have seen them yes, I spotted the Polish task force and then they came to kill them. The heavy cruiser event happened the day after. ps : and sorry for my wording, english is not my native tongue, just one of the 4 other languages I barely speak :p