US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Amazing how these doves suddenly turn into war hawks when it's not their guy pulling our troops out of foreign entanglements.

[Buddahaid]

Sure thing. So what was your plan other than whining about liberals whining about Trump's moves? Seriously, ME is f'd up no matter what anyone does, or doesn't do, and the blame falls squarely on religious ideology as it always has and always will there. We either stay involved and hope for a miracle, or leave and let it go to hell as it apparently has. Either way, the west will end up seen as the bad guy so we may as well just leave at let it burn, after all, we DO NOT need the oil if we stop selling ours abroad for profit, or is that prophets?

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Sure thing. So what was your plan other than whining about liberals whining about Trump's moves? Seriously, ME is f'd up no matter what anyone does, or doesn't do, and the blame falls squarely on religious ideology as it always has and always will there. We either stay involved and hope for a miracle, or leave and let it go to hell as it apparently has. Either way, the west will end up seen as the bad guy so we may as well just leave at let it burn, after all, we DO NOT need the oil if we stop selling ours abroad for profit, or is that prophets?

Is this addressed to me?

[Buddahaid]

Yes.

[Mr Quatro]

What I find ironic is Trump sending 2,000 men to SA with air defences

[Rockstar]

We're not a charity, our national interests are at the heart of everything we do in the middle east. The interests of the Kurds and their usefulness has come to an end, on too Saudi Arabia! By the way your representatives in congress could stop that from happening you know. But they don't. Oh sure there's the media drama and finger pointing but that show is for your consumption.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Yes.

Well I don't understand your hostility because I agree with you. We've stayed involved over there hoping for a miracle for nearly two decades now and it's obvious that nothing we will have done will last 5 seconds after we do leave, if that ever happens. Especially in Syria where the few troops we do have there are little more than human shields. A line in the dirt meant to guarantee good behavior. Trouble with being a "dare line" is that someone eventually steps on it and rubs it out.

So since you demand "my plan" it would be to pull our troops out of not just Syria but every other middle east country as well by the end of the year. Anything we can't take with us we destroy. I'd also bring along the indigenous translators and others who have worked for us, and their families too. It would be wrong to leave them behind if they want to become Americans they should be given the opportunity. As you say we will be seen as the bad guy either way so we might as well adopt the plan with the least cost in our peoples lives.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

Well I don't understand your hostility because I agree with you. We've stayed involved over there hoping for a miracle for nearly two decades now and it's obvious that nothing we will have done will last 5 seconds after we do leave, if that ever happens. Especially in Syria where the few troops we do have there are little more than human shields. A line in the dirt meant to guarantee good behavior. Trouble with being a "dare line" is that someone eventually steps on it and rubs it out.

So since you demand "my plan" it would be to pull our troops out of not just Syria but every other middle east country as well by the end of the year. Anything we can't take with us we destroy. I'd also bring along the indigenous translators and others who have worked for us, and their families too. It would be wrong to leave them behind if they want to become Americans they should be given the opportunity. As you say we will be seen as the bad guy either way so we might as well adopt the plan with the least cost in our peoples lives.

Works for me.

[Buddahaid]

No hostility August, just calling you out on making jabs at liberals in general for being liberal minded.

Rockstar, no the US should not be seen as a charity, but what message is being sent? We are your fair weather friends as long as you are in our interest zone, don't count on us or our word, we're only interested in us. So long suckers!

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

No hostility August, just calling you out on making jabs at liberals in general for being liberal minded.

Is that what that was? Maybe you should have been up front with it so I wouldn't have wasted my time telling you my plan!

[Buddahaid]

Why should I be up front about it? Is agreeing with you a needed precondition for discussion? I don't see it that way but so be it.

Yes, August, I know we are at odds a lot but I think we are closer at the core when push comes to shove. I simply don't like to take a hard stand and an us verses them mentality about the politics of everything. No one is always right and no one is always wrong.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Why should I be up front about it?

Because honesty is always the best policy.

Is agreeing with you a needed precondition for discussion? I don't see it that way but so be it.

Now you are just making things up. I don't care one way or the other if you agree or not, I would just prefer that you spare me the lecture.

Yes, August, I know we are at odds a lot but I think we are closer at the core when push comes to shove. I simply don't like to take a hard stand and an us verses them mentality about the politics of everything. No one is always right and no one is always wrong.

Uh huh. Then name some things that Trump did right then.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Because honesty is always the best policy.

And just how was anything I said dishonest?

Originally Posted by August

Now you are just making things up. I don't care one way or the other if you agree or not, I would just prefer that you spare me the lecture.

Goes both ways.

Originally Posted by August

Uh huh. Then name some things that Trump did right then.

I'll agree I like how he shakes up the status quo, and I'll agree about fighting the new green movement as stupidly myopic, I just don't agree about how he goes about it because he's an idiot and a charlatan posing as the messiah for all that is good about, and for, America. The right message but the wrong person, so wrong that the message is being destroyed just as he destroys everything he touches.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And just how was anything I said dishonest?

I didn't say you were being dishonest. Just that you weren't up front with your intentions. Some might consider that the same thing.

Goes both ways.

Then may I suggest if you don't want to hear it then you don't ask people for their opinions.

I'll agree I like how he shakes up the status quo, and I'll agree about fighting the new green movement as stupidly myopic, I just don't agree about how he goes about it because he's an idiot and a charlatan posing as the messiah for all that is good about, and for, America. The right message but the wrong person, so wrong that the message is being destroyed just as he destroys everything he touches.

Well I just like that he actually goes about shaking up the status quo rather than the impotent lip service we get from the professional politicians who forget their campaign promises the second the election results are in. For that i am willing to put up with Trumps personality flaws.

However I will disagree with you about Trump being an idiot though. He's managed not only to beat the establishment candidate but has survived in the face of unprecedented political opposition. No idiot would have been able to persevere through all that.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

No hostility August, just calling you out on making jabs at liberals in general for being liberal minded.

Rockstar, no the US should not be seen as a charity, but what message is being sent? We are your fair weather friends as long as you are in our interest zone, don't count on us or our word, we're only interested in us. So long suckers!

Before we get all teary eyed let me ask. There is the Kurdish YPP, PKK, and the KRG political parties. Which ones are we as you say supposedly friends with? They barely get along themselves and would eventually start fighting each other for power. Which Kurdish party should we send our troops to support when that happens?