Wuhan virus 2020

[Bilge_Rat]

well the whole point about masks which everyone conveniently forgets because it is becoming a political issue is that only the N95 masks have been shown to be effective, but those are in very short supply.

cloth and home made masks which most people wear have questionable value in preventing the spread. The virus is small enough it will go right through the mask or through the various gaps around the mask since the air you breathe in and out will follow the path of least resistance. The visors people wear are totally useless.

social distancing and washing your hands regularly are still the most effective method to prevent the spread.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Oh yes at all costs remember this; also when it comes to certain speeches of certain presidents which are commented like "it is not a lie but an alternative fact", do not forget what was really said

So now you are assuming something I have not yet done? And if you think I have done it please show me.

Here's the thing you and others seem to miss in this highly partisan age ... a person can look at all sides of an issue without stating a political preference. Some people believe in the all or nothing scenario. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well the whole point about masks which everyone conveniently forgets because it is becoming a political issue is that only the N95 masks have been shown to be effective, but those are in very short supply.

cloth and home made masks which most people wear have questionable value in preventing the spread. The virus is small enough it will go right through the mask or through the various gaps around the mask since the air you breathe in and out will follow the path of least resistance. The visors people wear are totally useless.

social distancing and washing your hands regularly are still the most effective method to prevent the spread.

Even a cloth mask is more effective than having no mask at all.


Here's a study that compared various masks and their effectiveness:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...567v2.full.pdf

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Even a cloth mask is more effective than having no mask at all.

Here's a study that compared various masks and their effectiveness:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...567v2.full.pdf

Agreed, and this seems so obvious, it's amazing that we have to keep saying it.

Originally Posted by moose1am

They are doing this because they want to hide from the media/people the number of cases of the virus in the USA. Trump doesn't like the high numbers and he is behind this BS. IMHO the hospitals should continue to report their case numbers to the CDC as before so that the people and press can know the truth about the number of cases. We should not politicize this virus and science should lead the way to the elimination of the virus.

I don't know if that's accurate but I agree and would not be surprised. Trump showed his hand early on with his attempts to exclude Americans on cruise ships from counting, brazenly saying he didn't want them to make the numbers go.

Originally Posted by em2nought

Why should democrats have all the fun of making totally baseless claims?

Lol, post of the year material.

Originally Posted by Catfish

You should know the Donald always needs a scapegoat he can fire

Meanwhile in the US - enjoy:

-video-

Yeah, sad but true. To be fair, there are nutty people in the opposing camp, those videos are out there too, and to be even more fair: I'm sure there is a similar slice of foggy-headed mouth-breathers in every country and every society. So that video is not a complete representation of American society and is unique to American society. Wouldn't you agree?

What's funny to consider, imagine if that woman to pointed out the doctor and said he would be arrested for crimes etc, imagine if later that afternoon she was in a car accident and had some injuries that needed immediate medical attention, and they wheeled her into the hospital and she looked up and there's the doctor...?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

[...] Yeah, sad but true. To be fair, there are nutty people in the opposing camp, those videos are out there too, and to be even more fair: I'm sure there is a similar slice of foggy-headed mouth-breathers in every country and every society. So that video is not a complete representation of American society and is unique to American society. Wouldn't you agree? [...]

Yes of course i agree , but when i saw this i was really dumbfounded.
Also posting the numerous german nutjobs here (apart from me) is pretty useless when no one understands it

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by u crank

[...] ... you and others seem to miss in this highly partisan age ... a person can look at all sides of an issue without stating a political preference. Some people believe in the all or nothing scenario. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't.

So how can wearing a mask then become a political thing obviously? You are right, stupidity is not reserved for one side, but how comes that it is more often on Trump's?
I do not even say republican, because for me Trump is not a republican. But most virus deniers are on his side of the camp and describe themselves as republicans, as you might have noticed.

The psychology of pandemic denial

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well the whole point about masks which everyone conveniently forgets because it is becoming a political issue is that only the N95 masks have been shown to be effective, but those are in very short supply.

cloth and home made masks which most people wear have questionable value in preventing the spread. The virus is small enough it will go right through the mask or through the various gaps around the mask since the air you breathe in and out will follow the path of least resistance. The visors people wear are totally useless.

social distancing and washing your hands regularly are still the most effective method to prevent the spread.

Plus fresh air in rooms (two windows pen instead of just one), and proper virus-filters in air conditioning systems that of cours eno longer can be switched to "circular", but only "external air supply". Companies say that trains and airpülanes are "safe", but many conveniently forget to say that they do not use HEPA filter that can filter out virusses, but only lower grade filters that can NOT filter them out.


I read today that of 600 German companies that volunteered to sweitchign production to masks, almosta ll already have shut down again, so much for the wanted German mask autarky. Germany now is ordering masks in China again, they write. And already lacks behind in numbers again.



Why 600 small and little companies of extremely limited financial reach, instead of a very few real heavyweight fighters? Because of "equal chances to as many as possible", that is.



I fear that politics already have secretely decided to let something like mass infection happen, hoping it will happen fast (it won'T, it was already shown, getting 90% of the global population infected would take at least 10 years, and antibodies in local populations of very seriously affected regions in Italy and Spain and especially Sweden showed to nevertehless have only discouraging low numbers), and immunity in the surviving will last (apparently it will not, although they hope that immunity will last the longer the more servere the infection was: no suffering, no gain, so to speak).


But it also strikes me this: that this virus shows some very dysfunctional social consterllation we have enforced to live by in order to get alogn with out lives in the industrial world. That we send kids as early as possible away in order to follow our own job. That we try to reduce times of united fmaily life a smuch as possible, in order to serve our careers, or even just make a minimum living. That we allow increboily little space for reserves for tikjmes of emeergency, or unforeseeing probpoems, for exmapelk swithcign economic systems from reserves-keeping to delivery on demand production chains. If the virus does point beyond itself, than it does unmask the deep rooting social dysfunctionality of our modern collectivist societies. For many families, the uncomplementing truth is that Kindergardens and schools a simply are "Verwahranstalten" to unloci the parent'S enewgry and workforce for industrial demands.



Some things imop are gouing very seriously wrong in modern societies. An then we wonder that neurosis and destructive forms of egoism are spreading like - like a pandemic? In parts it is the accelerated travel and delivery culture of modern industrial societies, that labels under the name of "globalization," that made the Corona virus spread around the world.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well the whole point about masks which everyone conveniently forgets because it is becoming a political issue is that only the N95 masks have been shown to be effective, but those are in very short supply.

cloth and home made masks which most people wear have questionable value in preventing the spread. The virus is small enough it will go right through the mask or through the various gaps around the mask since the air you breathe in and out will follow the path of least resistance. The visors people wear are totally useless.

social distancing and washing your hands regularly are still the most effective method to prevent the spread.

I like this mask ... t doesn't work of course, but the other ones don't either, so in this one you can still breathe and it is accepted, it is a mask!!

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

You are right, stupidity is not reserved for one side, but how comes that it is more often on Trump's?

Well I'm a bit of a skeptic so you'll have to prove that. On the other hand to find evidence of stupidity on the left one only has to look at what is going on in the streets of most Democrat controled cities in America. Or in the left leaning publications where identity politics and cancel culture rule the day. I could go on.

And as for polititians I give you Gov. ­Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey both Democrats. In late March they issued almost identical orders requiring nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being discharged from hospitals. The orders barred the homes from even asking if the patients had the virus.

Seems like a stunning bit of stupidity wouldn't you say?

[Buddahaid]

I'm actually OK with those people who put their faith in god and ignore prudent requirements to mitigate the viruses impact. I think it's all part of god's plan to eliminate the stupid people from earth.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Now that we're all on the same wavelength: MODERATOR :please conjoin both threds: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2551078&postcount=1
No need to wait for a comet; MotherNature has taken command of the situation and will reduce earth's population waaaaay down from 8,000,000,000 of which 1,400,000,000 are voracious Chinese seeking global domination....Tibet's takeover in '59 was only the beginning!!In addition to which, Black death,
Avian Flu, and Swine-flu are currently causing problems in China along side the Covid 19 issue....Throw in the Global warming...and the nuclear clock stands at 100 seconds to midnight: Oh and about the comet: always the harbinger of disaster(since 1066) Comet Neowise just entered the solar system on the 3rd Perhaps in our case, we should call it...Neodumb!

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I'm actually OK with those people who put their faith in god and ignore prudent requirements to mitigate the viruses impact. I think it's all part of god's plan to eliminate the stupid people from earth.

If I can capitalise Mother Nature, can't U at least capitalise God? But we're certainly on the same wavelength...throw in the quakes and great infernos of Napa and Sonoma counties...I'll stand you to Corona....beer if you'll tell me where you got a spare respirator stashed at!!

[Buddahaid]

Purposely omitted as a jab.

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I'm actually OK with those people who put their faith in god and ignore prudent requirements to mitigate the viruses impact.

If it was only their life they are jeopardizing, I would agree. But it isn't. I wonder if the crucial point that causes the US failing to fight the virus is exactly this: A society without coherence that perpetually confounds solidarity and socialism.

I think it's all part of god's plan to eliminate the stupid people from earth.

I'm sure he does not have a plan, but a weird sense of humor.

[Jimbuna]

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by u crank

Well I'm a bit of a skeptic so you'll have to prove that. On the other hand to find evidence of stupidity on the left one only has to look at what is going on in the streets of most Democrat controled cities in America. Or in the left leaning publications where identity politics and cancel culture rule the day. I could go on.

And as for polititians I give you Gov. ­Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey both Democrats. In late March they issued almost identical orders requiring nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being discharged from hospitals. The orders barred the homes from even asking if the patients had the virus.

Seems like a stunning bit of stupidity wouldn't you say?

Yet the fake news mass media never call them on it.