GER politics thread - Page 53

Skybird · 08-06-19, 07:26 AM

With global population expected to still rise in coming decades, and the population especially in China and India growing into higher lifestyle standards, energy consupmtion will not decline, but will steeply rise in the next 20-30 years. Until 2035 and 2040, various studies done by different organisations expect rises of 25 to 40 percent. There simply will be no cut in global energy consumption, forget about it. What Germany does, in the global scheme of tings is irrelvevant - we just wast our money that we then do not have for other tasks. The world right doe snot wait to see what the germans are doping, and it doe snot wait to be shown the way by the Germans, and nboody is set to follow the German exmaple. Thats German self-deception.

ikalugin · 08-07-19, 07:44 AM

@skybird
The wind power kills during installation, maintenance etc (people fall from high places). It is the same problem as with coal power and radioactive fallout - because the damage is spread thinly across space and time people do not notice it, even if the damage is greater (in terms of lives for wind power and in terms of radiation released into the environment for coal) per MW of installed power per year, accounting for major accidents.

But the greens do not care

Skybird · 08-07-19, 01:40 PM

People falling from high places...? Radioactivity...? Compare...???

Sorry, you travel alone in that orbit. I mean nobody calculates the lethal accidents during bicycle assembly to make it an argument against green traffic policies.

ikalugin · 08-07-19, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

People falling from high places...? Radioactivity...? Compare...???

Sorry, you travel alone in that orbit. I mean nobody calculates the lethal accidents during bicycle assembly to make it an argument against green traffic policies.

Ok, to recap, lets say we have a coal powerplant.

Over a given period of time it would release more radioactivity into the environment due to small concentration of radioactive materials in coal that is being (nearly) constantly burned, than a nuclear power plant, even if we account for the risk of nuclear power plant accident with release of radioactivity.
When spread over the entire industries this leads to coal power generating more radioactivity in our environment than the nuclear power, even with TME/Chernobyl/Fukushima and other (less dramatic) incidents being accounted for.

This means that the fear of radioactive polution by nuclear power being used as an argument against nuclear power (and for coal power - if I recall correctly that is what Germany replaced it's nuclear power generation in short term) is not based on factual reality.

Do you get this argument? Or is it also otherworldly for you?

As to lives - installation and maintenance of wind power killing men (most workplace deaths are male) at a rate higher than nuclear power (even if we account for incidents with radioactivity release ie TME/Chernobyl/Fukushima) shows that the fear of human losses is also not a rational argument in favour of wind power over nuclear power, as it is not backed by numbers.

Catfish · 08-08-19, 01:36 AM

I have yet to see some 130,000+ people being resettled due to radiation from a coal plant.
Not forgetting those cases of intentional poisoning with radioactive substances like Polonium. ahem.

To the rest of the above.. must be russian humour or trolling

Skybird · 08-08-19, 01:43 AM

Ikalugin
I meant I have a hard time to believe that so many construction workers on windwills get ill or killed like by the maintaining and use of nuke plants.

ikalugin · 08-08-19, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Ikalugin
I meant I have a hard time to believe that so many construction workers on windwills get ill or killed like by the maintaining and use of nuke plants.

Product of safety culture and excessive state regulation in the nuclear industry.

You may also recall the anecdote of boiling a frog in a slowly heating up water - people do not notice the steady trickly of casualties from mundane causes (ie falls from heights).

ikalugin · 08-08-19, 11:38 AM

May be of interest.

Skybird · 08-08-19, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

May be of interest.

Meine Fresse, ich kotz mich nochmal tot.

Catfish · 08-31-19, 12:01 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...xile-in-berlin

Jimbuna · 09-01-19, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...xile-in-berlin

Shocking!

ikalugin · 09-01-19, 04:57 AM

But not surprising, if you made the enemy of Russian, Chechnyan, Georgian and Ukrainian groups by participating in various civil wars in the former Soviet Union, your life expectancy is not going to be exactly high.

Catfish · 09-01-19, 06:59 AM

Maaß: “I see this as a message to all the Chechen refugees in Germany: you’re not safe here.”

It rather shows the german secret service(s)' and Maaß' incompetence. The assassin used his Gru passport for immigration.. and two children witnesses of the murder told the police.
It seems some certain person always gets away with murder abroad. But then maybe this someone should not feel too safe hence.

Skybird · 09-01-19, 08:36 AM

It seems the victim was no child of sadness in his active fighting years, so I am not certain we should cry tears over him. Ikalugin has a - sober - point. Maybe he was just caught by his self-made Karma. The victim I mean, not ikalugin.

Rockstar · 09-01-19, 08:59 AM

He was no angel, there is no telling how many people's lives were destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy on account of this man. It seems to me his past finally caught up with him. As the saying goes live by the sword die by the sword.

Once again, it just goes to show how one man's freedom fighter is another man's a terrorist.

08-06-19, 07:26 AM	#781
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	With global population expected to still rise in coming decades, and the population especially in China and India growing into higher lifestyle standards, energy consupmtion will not decline, but will steeply rise in the next 20-30 years. Until 2035 and 2040, various studies done by different organisations expect rises of 25 to 40 percent. There simply will be no cut in global energy consumption, forget about it. What Germany does, in the global scheme of tings is irrelvevant - we just wast our money that we then do not have for other tasks. The world right doe snot wait to see what the germans are doping, and it doe snot wait to be shown the way by the Germans, and nboody is set to follow the German exmaple. Thats German self-deception. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-07-19, 07:44 AM	#782
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	@skybird The wind power kills during installation, maintenance etc (people fall from high places). It is the same problem as with coal power and radioactive fallout - because the damage is spread thinly across space and time people do not notice it, even if the damage is greater (in terms of lives for wind power and in terms of radiation released into the environment for coal) per MW of installed power per year, accounting for major accidents. But the greens do not care __________________ Grumpy as always. Last edited by ikalugin; 08-07-19 at 07:53 AM.

08-07-19, 01:40 PM	#783
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	People falling from high places...? Radioactivity...? Compare...??? Sorry, you travel alone in that orbit. I mean nobody calculates the lethal accidents during bicycle assembly to make it an argument against green traffic policies. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-08-19, 01:36 AM	#785
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I have yet to see some 130,000+ people being resettled due to radiation from a coal plant. Not forgetting those cases of intentional poisoning with radioactive substances like Polonium. ahem. To the rest of the above.. must be russian humour or trolling __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 08-08-19 at 01:54 AM.*

08-08-19, 01:43 AM	#786
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Ikalugin I meant I have a hard time to believe that so many construction workers on windwills get ill or killed like by the maintaining and use of nuke plants. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-08-19, 11:38 AM	#788
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	May be of interest. __________________ Grumpy as always.

08-31-19, 12:01 PM	#790
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...xile-in-berlin __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

09-01-19, 04:57 AM	#792
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	But not surprising, if you made the enemy of Russian, Chechnyan, Georgian and Ukrainian groups by participating in various civil wars in the former Soviet Union, your life expectancy is not going to be exactly high. __________________ Grumpy as always.

09-01-19, 06:59 AM	#793
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Maaß: “I see this as a message to all the Chechen refugees in Germany: you’re not safe here.” It rather shows the german secret service(s)' and Maaß' incompetence. The assassin used his Gru passport for immigration.. and two children witnesses of the murder told the police. It seems some certain person always gets away with murder abroad. But then maybe this someone should not feel too safe hence. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

09-01-19, 08:36 AM	#794
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	It seems the victim was no child of sadness in his active fighting years, so I am not certain we should cry tears over him. Ikalugin has a - sober - point. Maybe he was just caught by his self-made Karma. The victim I mean, not ikalugin. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-01-19, 08:59 AM	#795
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	He was no angel, there is no telling how many people's lives were destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy on account of this man. It seems to me his past finally caught up with him. As the saying goes live by the sword die by the sword. Once again, it just goes to show how one man's freedom fighter is another man's a terrorist. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.