Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Russia's defence ministry says the flagship vessel of its Black Sea fleet is seriously damaged.

They say a fire caused ammunition on the Moskva to explode, but that it is still afloat.

The crew have been evacuated and the cruiser will be towed to port, officials say.

Ukraine says they hit the Moskva with two missiles and it began to sink, but this has not been confirmed.

The US is sending more artillery, armoured vehicles and helicopters to

Ukraine.

In Mariupol, Russia says it has gained full control of the city.

Kyiv's defence ministry insists Ukrainian troops are holding out.

Russia would have to bolster its defences if Sweden and Finland joined Nato, Deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council Dmitry Medvedev says.

He adds that if the two countries joined the alliance, then there could be no more talk of a "nuclear free" Baltic, as "the balance must be restored".

"Until today, Russia has not taken such measures and was not going to," Medvedev says.

Both Finland and Sweden have expressed their eagerness to join Nato, and US officials have said the two countries could become part of the alliance as soon as summer.

The views expressed by Russia suggests that the desires of Finland and Sweden to join NATO have nothing to do with the aggressive stance taken by Russia Itself. All Russia did by it's disastrous conduct in the Ukraine is to unite NATO and other nations around the world against Russia. Russia has no one to blame but themselves. Russia stands as a pariah in the world and will for years to come.

By the way, if Moskva is still afloat and the Ukrainians have the missiles, She would get a few more of the The RK-360MC Neptun (Neptune) Ukrainian anti-ship missiles until she was sunk.

[mapuc]

More on Russia versus Finland and Sweden

From Sky news

Russia threatens nuclear escalation if Sweden and Finland join NATO

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-th...-nato-12589823

Markus

[UglyMowgli]

Some countries also have nuke. If Putin want escalate, it will escalate on the other side also, is he ready to lose Leningrad for Kiev?.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by UglyMowgli

Some countries also have nuke. If Putin want escalate, it will escalate on the other side also, is he ready to lose Leningrad for Kiev?.

Wouldn't like to put it to the test.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

PRECISELY!...I just hope his newly appointed commander isn't competent as I feared. Finland and/or Sweden joining NATO will most assuredly force Putin's bullying sabre-rattlin' 'monkey's fist' paw...causing more 'face-saving' errors?? I'm under no illusions though that when all is over this will be officially dubbed WWIII; and 'limitless friend' China will have dropped its territorial aggrandizing 'other shoe' on Taiwan...

Well my worries about a competent leader are done:

Originally Posted by 2daze W.S.J.

After horrendous battlefield losses and failed objectives, Vladimir Putin is concentrating his efforts in Ukraine in the eastern provinces of the Donbas. Recognizing that neither his original plan for a blitzkrieg against Kyiv nor his plan for multiple operations in the north, south and east worked, Russia’s president seems ready now to embrace longstanding principles of war: simplicity, unity of effort and focused logistics. No more adventurous airborne operations against airfields. No more stymied convoys or simultaneous but separate attacks on Kharkiv, Mariupol and Sumy. No more disputes among commanders over logistical resupply. Rather, the Russians will pursue a single coordinated effort with, initially, more-limited aspirations in the Donbas. Unity of command has long been recognized as an indispensable prerequisite for victory. Battlefield directions will no longer emanate from the Kremlin or Moscow but from a field headquarters. Mr. Putin’s recent appointment of Gen. Aleksandr Dvornikov to command all forces in Ukraine is consistent with the principle of unity of command. It’s also worrisome. Unlike Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, a politician-cum-general, and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, reputedly the designer of the original attack plan for Ukraine, Gen. Dvornikov is not a staff officer in Moscow. He is a seasoned combat veteran with previous responsibility for operations in Chechnya, Crimea and Armenia.

More significantly, Gen. Dvornikov was Mr. Putin’s choice in 2015 to command Russia operations in Syria. Sent in to prop up Bashar al-Assad at a time when Syrian government forces were near defeat, Gen. Dvornikov turned the tide of that conflict and kept Mr. Assad in power. His tactics were brutal, including dropping “dumb” bombs in population centers, using banned cluster munitions, and employing siege tactics like those seen in Mariupol. While the orders to use chemical weapons in Syria likely came from Mr. Assad, the United Nations’ Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic concluded that many of these operations were conducted by the Russian air force.
The Russians considered Syria a case study on how wars would be fought in the future. In a 2021 report published by the Institute for the Study of War, Mason Clark noted that Moscow’s primary lesson from Syria was that it needed to improve military command and control. The importance of “making better decisions faster than the opponent” may have led Gen. Gerasimov to believe a lightning strike on Kyiv would end the war quickly. But years of Western training, good intelligence, and a strong patriotic motivation allowed Ukrainian forces to blunt a poorly planned assault by inexperienced Russian troops. After 45 days of war, Mr. Putin and Gen. Dvornikov have a new appreciation of how to fight better in Ukraine. Assume Gen. Dvornikov was chosen for the job because he offered Mr. Putin a plan for victory. It’s reasonable to expect a new offensive operation in the Donbas soon. The Russian approach to such operations has relied on large armored formations and enormous concentrations of artillery, rockets and missiles. “Quantity has a quality of its own”, said Joseph Stalin. Because of poor planning and logistical incompetence, the quantity of indirect fire used on Mariupol, Kharkiv and Kyiv was paltry by historical standards. I expect Gen. Dvornikov totry to rectify that mistake.
Gen. Dvornikov is a ruthless commander with an established combat history. Don’t assume he will continue the poorly executed plans dreamed up by Gens. Shoigu and Gerosimov. To the contrary, expect his plans to be more consistent with the strategy of his patron, Mr. Putin, and his brutality to exceed even his reprehensible record in Syria.

I imagine there'll be more rockets with "for the children " painted on them....
Considering the 20th century War to end all Wars started around 1914 and ended(with a 20 year Armistice hiatus) in 1945; this one is cranking up in the 21st century... just about on schedule...

[mapuc]

Today is day 50 of the 3 days war.

Status so far
What have Russia won in these 50 days of the 3 days war ?

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[Dargo]

The military had been re-engineered to make embezzlement easier, not to make it more effective against NATO. Contrary to the propaganda coming from the Kremlin, the Russian brass thought the odds of an invasion by NATO were pretty much zero. No need to have a military prepared to take on NATO, as it really was not considered an actual real-world threat. Just maintain enough readiness to prey on weak and defenseless opponents and feel free to steal the rest to pay for yachts, villas, mistresses, and palatial dachas. As to the soldiers under your command? Screw them, like the rest of the Russian populace, they are only useful as a means to fatten official’s wallets.

https://10ztalk.com/2022/04/14/putin...-why-it-sucks/

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Today is day 50 of the 3 days war.

Status so far
What have Russia won in these 50 days of the 3 days war ?

Markus

Putin is told on this 3day invasion it's going swell, a lot of equipment on route Donbas is already bombed

[mapuc]

In our late night news the anchor use to show what some of our newspaper will write about.

The headline in one of these newspaper was:

NATO isn't fit for a fight against Russia on European ground.

I've tried to find this article online without any success

Markus

[Dargo]

The Ukrainian army has received help from the sky on the Eastern Front. Not in the form of fighter jets or helicopters, but in the form of heavy rains. The precipitation has hampered the Russian advance in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in recent days. But the next few days will be drier and warmer.

The rains are causing wet ground, preventing heavy military equipment from leaving paved roads. As a result, the Russian military has to rely on the roads, where congestion of military vehicles occurs. Such a long column is an easy target.

The Ukrainian army claims to have destroyed thousands of Russian tanks and other military vehicles. Many were part of vulnerable convoys. Near Izhoum, southeast of Kharkov, another bridge was blown up today, frustrating the movement of military vehicles. Thanks to one attack, a convoy suddenly found itself at a dead end.

The marshy ground is one of the setbacks the Russian military has faced in recent weeks. The thaw came earlier than expected this year, making it quite marshy north of Kiev, for example. This is not the first time that a military advance around Kiev has been hampered by mud: In World War II, the Germans also got stuck there.

In the first few weeks, you have to investigate whether the terrain is in good shape. That's information you can get largely from open sources. This blunder has meant that Russian tank capacity could hardly be used until now.

If armored vehicles destroy a hard dirt road, then trucks can get stuck afterwards. Russia has few precision weapons. They mostly have "dumb bombs," which you have to aim with the eye. For that, you have to fly low, which is difficult with low-hanging clouds. Once the ground is dry enough, Russian troops can spread more easily across the Donbas in the fairly flat east of Ukraine, Russian tanks can maneuver better. A tank must be able to "saw": move somewhere, observe it briefly, and retreat to a covered position. For that, you need space and clear visibility. And dry spring weather.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In our late night news the anchor use to show what some of our newspaper will write about.

The headline in one of these newspaper was:

NATO isn't fit for a fight against Russia on European ground.

I've tried to find this article online without any success

Markus

Russia is also not capable to fight on European ground attacker need ratio 3:1 both sides in Europe has no amount of forces to get that ratio as attacker.

[mapuc]

Dargo wrote:

"another bridge was blown up today, frustrating the movement of military vehicles. Thanks to one attack, a convoy suddenly found itself at a dead end."

Doesn't these engineers exist anymore ? They were used a lot during WWII.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Dargo wrote:

"another bridge was blown up today, frustrating the movement of military vehicles. Thanks to one attack, a convoy suddenly found itself at a dead end."

Doesn't these engineers exist anymore ? They were used a lot during WWII.

Markus

If you read this you understand https://10ztalk.com/2022/04/14/putin...-why-it-sucks/ also this goes for the science that was great under soviet power it is gone If you do not pay and only steal money people leave. And they still not use basic military ratio of 3:1

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

If you read this you understand https://10ztalk.com/2022/04/14/putin...-why-it-sucks/ also this goes for the science that was great under soviet power it is gone If you do not pay and only steal money people leave. And they still not use basic military ratio of 3:1

Could not read my virus went berserk and refused to open the homepage.

Markus

[Commander Wallace]