Your Ideal Doomsday Survival Situation/Prepper Thread

[em2nought]

Baked Beans require a pound of browned hamburger to be mixed if you want to create something truly yummy.

[ET2SN]

Just a thought to ponder for you survival-minded folks:

There is absolutely NOTHING on this planet more useless than a vehicle with an automatic transmission and a dead starter.

Think it through for a few minutes and you'll understand why.

[Aktungbby]

.../\since I only drive 'stick' since even before my '70's trukkin' daze, U can always roll-start a manual transmission car, like my batterd but reliable '06 Toyota Corolla? Somewhat in the market for my new car, I can't find anything with a clutch and hand-crank up windows. I love my '86 CamryLE too, but all the window and sunroof motors needed replacment. So electric goodies are to be avoided under the KISS principle.The new computer dashboards are a total pain to dinosaur-drivers like me too; partly aggravated by the current chip shortage worldwide.!

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

I can't find anything with a clutch and hand-crank up windows.

I've got a 2004 Wrangler for you. Dark green. 5-Speed manual, roll up windows, AM and FM radio + CD player! Comes with hard top, soft top, bikini top. Black tubular bull bar w/ KC lights, matching rear bumper bar and side rails. Bunch of other stuff, too. You'd have to buy a new rear axle, though.




... And probably a new frame in a couple years.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

Of course they are, they burn wood and coal. You guys are acting like these are new inventions but these jet stoves have been around for decades.

I thought as much when I saw all the fumes and smoke being given off.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Jim, always use these outdoors. If you fire these well and maybe use a ventilator, the flames can shoot like a rocket fire 30-50cm out of the chimney, I have seen that in real life. These ovens then even hiss (fauchen). Impressive. Usually not needed.

I think I'll be sticking with my gas fired BBQ

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I think I'll be sticking with my gas fired BBQ

As long as you still can get gas cartridges or gas bottles.



For prepping, I recommend to have one burner for every kind of fuel possible. The rocket ovens burn biomass, and this model burns also charcoal and brickets. I have, for doomsday party, a stove for gas cartridges, gasoline, tupintine etc as well.


If it burns, I can safely use it without attracting unwanted attention.



Thats often overlooked - in such scenarios, you do not want to attract attention, but avoid attention getting. Thats why it even kight be better to leave the oven cold and not make any sorts of fire (smell).

[Catfish]

Regarding cars for 'preppers' i take it Diesel is the only way to go, along with no (and i mean no) electronics, maybe apart from the radio.

And use an old Diesel with precombustion chambers, and a fully mechanical injection pump only. No TDI, in fact no turbo at all, much too sensible and impossible to repair without spare parts. Get tools to adjusting the pump to plant seed oils, use different glow plugs, and inituial electrical/later heat-exchange heater for making other-than-Diesel fatty fuels more liquid. An old Diesel engine will run on any fatty fuel.

Store away some spare parts you know will break down sooner or later. This way the car will run with almost every fatty stuff you come across.

Use a car that does not consume much fuel. A halfways bad-terrain-suited car should not weigh more than a ton, skip a four wheel drive that ony puts weight on the car, and which you will not be able to repair.

This way you will only need mineral oils for engine and gearbox lubrication, and bearings, and the quantity is minuscule compared to using gasoline which will not be available, and which you cannot refine.

[Skybird]

You want a Russian Scherp, maybe?


As far as I know even new Lada Nivas are, for Lada standards, electrohorrificized these days.

Legal demands make it impossible for manufacturers nowadays to avoid each and every electric system.

Basic models of Dacias are mentioned to be low on electronics, but not completely free of them.


A used oldtimer probably is the best way. With all the financial risks involved.

[Skybird]

First thigns first, the son of friends of my parents is an electrics engineer with RWE, a European energy corporation, biog player. My parents said their friends told them he has gotten fired some weeks ago after having corroded patience of his superiors over "impertinent" internal warnings - not whistleblowing in public! - for dangerous instabilities and risks of supply interruptions in the continetal power grid. I cannot judge this narration and know only what they have been told, but if it is true as they were told, I would not be surprised. And I would take it as another warning, another weriting on the wall. The man, my age apparently, is specialising in powergrid egineering as a professional with decades of experiences under his belt. He seems to expect the big one before end of this decade.



Now, my latest project, and I like it:





Facts by one day experience: The tank holds short of 4 l, I filled it to the half, and that halved load lastet close 4.5 - 5 hours. A standard big cannister of petroleum weighs 9-10 kg and holds 20l, that thing would give you around two full days of constant heating, I restimate, 48+ hours. Its just that you do not run this constantly, you dont need to. I give 20l a standing time of short of one week, therefore.



You need only four batteries, size D.


The thing stinks heavily in the first 2-3 minutes when igniting it. It stinks again heavily when shutting it down, but after ignition, when the temperature of the flame got right and is perfect, the smeel levbel goes down tremendously, ypoiu then can rtun it inside your home. I did not bepeive it until I red it, I so far believed that petroleum lamps never are to be burned inside living rooms and houses if you have no good air circulation. I would nevertehless recomemnd to run these things never without a CO2-CO-warner.


This thing is ideal for glasshouses with plants, cellars, garages, outdoor huts etc, and in case of emergency you will tolerate the smell in your home if the alternative is ice covering your wallpapers. As I saiudm, the smell if bad durign igntiuion phase. I thus placed the thing near my door to the loggia, and would open the door during ignition in the future.



I woudl recommend to establish a time pattern for frequent air exchnage envertheless.


The charm of this is - it is a.) surprisingly effective (it heats, not warms but heats, my main room which is more than 25 sqm), and b.) you do not need stilk wokring powergrid and electricity to start it, you are fully independent. The consummation rate for petroleum also surprised me, I expected it to be worse.



I will store 4 cans of 20l in my garage. That would possibly bring me over one month of siberian winter.

[mapuc]

What about the moisture ? It looks like one of these heat oven and the moisture increase when in use.

Markus

[Skybird]

When you cant move your fingers anymore because you are so cold, and your kids peel off the skin on their faces because they are bored, and frozen as they are they do not feel it anyway, I think you would not care about profanities like that.

I alos red some more comments. In practical use and with real-life consummation, it seems many people say they get over "one full season" with just 20l petroleum. Talking of campers in the main.

Note that you need special heater petroleuum for these ovens, lamp petroleum will ruin them. I dont know why, I just red it. Quality differences between different brands seem to be about how smelly the petroleums are.

[Skybird]

Some more on the petroleum oven.

I have googled it more, and found many test sites and reviews for ovens like this, all more or less similiar in construction, to give a consummation rate of 1/4 l per hour. The inbuild tank is close to 4 liters, that means you can expect a standing time of 15-16 hours. I would not run this at night when I sleep, so that 16 hours are one full working day. That means with a 20 l cannister of petroleum you get at least 5 days, probably more, since you may not burn it all day long.

I ran it the third evening in a row now, for the dakr hours before I go to bed. Because I simpy like it. I like the glow of it, the quality of the warmth it radiates, even the very mild smell in the air. I have the door to the loggia/balcony and on the other side of the huge room a window opened a bit, not much, just so that their is an air exchange. A CO2 and CO sensor of course is mandatory as a precautionary measure. The oven stands close to the loggia door, and I fire it up outside and let it burn there for the first 5 minutes or so, then carry it in carefully (it has a shut off-function if it does not stand elevated any more). The same I do when shutting it down, I place it outside, and leave it there for 15 minutes.

Very good buy. It works well. If you buy one, make sure it does not depend on electricity supply other than batteries, or even piezo ignitor. Always have good air exchange, always use a CO2 CO sensor.

Its gemütlich!

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When you cant move your fingers anymore because you are so cold, and your kids peel off the skin on their faces because they are bored, and frozen as they are they do not feel it anyway, I think you would not care about profanities like that.

I alos red some more comments. In practical use and with real-life consummation, it seems many people say they get over "one full season" with just 20l petroleum. Talking of campers in the main.

Note that you need special heater petroleuum for these ovens, lamp petroleum will ruin them. I dont know why, I just red it. Quality differences between different brands seem to be about how smelly the petroleums are.

I like my old fashion wood stove, I can cook on it and even in the basement I can get the entire house cooking over 90 degrees. Course, I have an unlimited supply of wood right behind my house. I'd hate to live in the city during a major end times crisis.

[Skybird]

Since maybe somebody considers this item, I give these numbers from the manual for the two models R4224STC and R7227STC. I have ther smaller one for my main room with around 32sqm and a ceiling height of 2.40m, giving it 77 cubic meters for an oven with a recommended using range of minimum 40 m3 and maximum 85 m3. I am in the upper range fo that, which mans the ventilation should not become any problem at all, ever. In smaller rooms, it might beocme an issue, and miore window-opening is necessary, also, while you may think smalle rrooms heat up better: the ovens have unbuild temperature locks,. at around 19-20°C they shut off. If the surrounding temperature is lower than inside homes, say in the open, or a glass house, it can have raised limits before the automatism snaps again.

The brand is Japanese. 4 years warranty.

I will try the oven again in January or February (if no blackout occurs earlier ) and then see how itbehaves with those much ower temps I woudl expect then. Right now I am veryhappy. If fuel consummation stays like it is, this might be even cheaper to heat than the normal and installed heating we have in the building...?!

Petroleum prices for these ovens in the past 5 years have varied by around 400%. They were as low as 40 coins per 20l, and as high as 150 coins per 20l. Right now, high quality low smell petroleum comes at prices of 60-80 coins per 20 l (at least over here).

SPECIFICATIONS R4224STC / R7227STC


Ignition electrical
Fuel paraffin
Capacity (kW)* 2.4 / 2.7
Suitable space (m3)** 40-85 / 45-95
Fuel consumption (l/hr)* 0.250 / 0.281
Fuel consumption (g/hr)* 200 / 225
Burning time per tank (hr)* 16.8 / 15.0
Capacity removable tank (litres) 4.2 / 4.2
Weight (kg) 8.6 / 8.7
Dimensions (mm) (including base plate)
width 455
depth 295
height 495
Required batteries 3V D.C. (R20 x 2)
Wick type O (Qlima specification)

* At maximum setting
** Specified values are indicative

If you burn this oven (smaller model) 8 hours a day, a 20l cannister petroleum will warm you up for 10 days.

I love these things!

[ET2SN]

Steve1989 is back on YouTube, and he still hasn't gotten food poisoning.