Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[August]

I don't see this as a change from what he's been saying all along. He undoubtedly means Russia to keep the territories it has seized.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Putin ally Lukashenko turns on him and urges fighting in Ukraine to 'stop' immediately.

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[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Lukashenko's economy is hurting from the sanctions, he has billions in debt he does not pay the foreign debt any more it is more he is in danger of collapse. That is why he tries this to save his own neck, but the Kremlin is not willing. "In case the necessary conditions are created, we maintain readiness for political discussions on realistic principles – both for post-conflict resolution of the Ukrainian crisis and for the parameters of further coexistence with the West as a whole," stated Shoygu. However, the Russian Defence Minister emphasized that Western countries must halt their pursuit of a strategic defeat of Russia for negotiations to take place. But the conditions for talks have not yet been established.

Zelenskyy has a very reasonable peace plan, not seen anyone from the Kremlin wanting to talk about this.

[mapuc]

^ If I remember correctly Ukraines peaceplan is where Russia leave Ukraine back to the border who they accepted in 1991.

Russians peaceplan is the one where they keep to occupied areas incl. Crimea.

Markus

[Skybird]

Russia has no peace plan. They want some time tio consoldiate their disarrays, and then continue to destroy Ukraine. If you look at it, it is an established tool of Russian foreign policy to arrange a conflict somewhere and then keeping it simmering on and on and on, benefitting from that. Putin needs a continuation of the war, a peace now is the last thing that is in his survival interest.

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Ukraine wants to stop transmitting Russian gas to Europe from 2025 onwards.

Ooopsiepoopsie - some European states that are still on the drip will have something to complain about.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Whole family shot dead in Russian-occupied Ukrainian town

Nine people, including two young children, have been found shot dead in their house in the Russian-occupied eastern Ukrainian town of Volnovakha.

Ukrainian officials say they believe Russian soldiers killed the whole of the Kapkanets family on 27 October for refusing to give them their house.

Russian investigators say two male suspects have been held, saying they are Russian soldiers from the Far East.

Ukraine and Russia have begun separate investigations into the attack.

Photographs have emerged on social media showing blood-splattered and bullet-riddled bodies lying in beds, some of them still locked in an embrace.

Ukrainian ombudsman Dmytro Lubinets said on Monday that "Russians' bloodied hands were involved" in the Volnovakha killings.

"According to preliminary information, the occupiers have killed the whole of the Kapkanets family, who were celebrating a birthday and who had refused to hand their own house over to occupiers from Chechnya," he said on Telegram.

The Ukrainian-controlled Donetsk prosecutor's office, citing preliminary information, said the attackers in army uniforms shot the family dead after their demand to vacate the house had been rejected.

Two children, born in 2014 and 2018, were among the victims, the office added.

Russia's official Investigations Committee described those arrested as Russian soldiers from the country's Far East, who had signed contracts with the Russian military.

"According to preliminary information, the motive for the crime was a domestic conflict," the committee said in a statement.

Astra, a Russian news channel on Telegram, earlier quoted the victims' neighbours as blaming the Russian military for the killings.

"All of the neighbours are saying that the killers were in the military. We're all scared," one neighbour told Astra.

Baza, another Russian Telegram channel, said members of the household had had "a conflict with unidentified men wearing military fatigues with no insignia".

Volnovakha was captured by Russian forces just weeks after the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Most of the town has been destroyed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67262610

[Skybird]

https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/sergei...&_x_tr_sl=auto


Russians are not really afraid of death, and Russian roulette, in fact, could be invented only in Russia. Russians don't really appreciate life, neither their own nor others'.

I don't remember exactly who - probably it was Solzhenitsyn - described a case in Russia where a prisoner put a grenade in another prisoner's pocket for fun and was amused that the man was blown to pieces. He did this not out of malice, but because life in Russia is a permanent ordeal from which there is no other way out but death. That is so, even if the Russians themselves do not always understand it.

And then there was the Ukrainian Donbass, where the Russians again allowed themselves everything. After that, they looked forward to new wars.

"We are like surgeons who advance into the war-torn areas. We are like doctors who cross the divine borders to free the patient from his pathologies. Yes, we wade through pain and sorrow, through blood and hunger, but we bring life," writes a Russian war correspondent about Ukraine.

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

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[Dargo]

[mapuc]

Putin had somewhat control the first 1-2 days in the Ukrainian war. Thereafter he have lost the control.

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[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Putin had somewhat control the first 1-2 days in the Ukrainian war. Thereafter he have lost the control.

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That rear admiral says that Putin only is the public figurehead that a group is in control, not Putin any more not that this matter will not be better but with several people wanting to control power there is always a change someone or a faction starts to grab all the power.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

That rear admiral says that Putin only is the public figurehead that a group is in control, not Putin any more not that this matter will not be better but with several people wanting to control power there is always a change someone or a faction starts to grab all the power.

This does not surprise me at all. Sooner or later he will be gone and another takes over maybe someone from this group.

He will suffer from a Cardiac arrest or similar to the public

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