Syria Shoots Down Turkish Fighter

TFatseas · 06-22-12, 10:09 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85L0PZ20120622

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Reuters) - Lebanon's Hezbollah-owned Al-Manar television station said on Friday that Syrian air defenses shot down a Turkish military aircraft, quoting Syrian security sources.
"Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defense forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet," a news flash on the Beirut-based station said.

Jimbuna · 06-22-12, 10:38 AM

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Turkey is a member of Nato, meaning that it could invoke Article V of the North Atlantic Treaty and summon the aid of all 28 countries in the alliance if it comes under attack. Turkey's government is a strident critic of President Bashar al-Assad's regime and tension has risen along the land border between the two neighbours.

Interesting

TLAM Strike · 06-22-12, 11:21 AM

There is also reports that a Syrian jet defected to Jordan.

Codz · 06-22-12, 12:39 PM

It would be interesting to see what Russia does if NATO does get directly involved.

Hottentot · 06-22-12, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Codz

It would be interesting to see what Russia does if NATO does get directly involved.

Condemn strongly, make lots of noise, maybe show some muscles, write long winded letters about the moral decadence of other nations, rant about human rights and make some little annoying "Ha! Take that!" gestures on some more obscure and less important matter to have a little payback. Much like it usually works in international relations. Or a sandbox, for that matter.

Edit: I forgot the most important and obvious one. Praise self, of course.

Oberon · 06-22-12, 01:34 PM

Oh Snap, Turkey has been angry at Syria since day one of this mess, this could be the turning factor if Turkey decides to directly intervene.

Whether NATO would actually follow through if Turkey invited it is another matter, some nations probably would, but many I think would just commit a token force.

mapuc · 06-22-12, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Codz

It would be interesting to see what Russia does if NATO does get directly involved.

Heard on danish radio, that Russia would not hesitate to give Syria advanced ground-to-air system. If NATO is carrying out its threat to intervene in Syria.

So its going to be very interesting on what's really going to happen if NATO carries out its threats

Markus

MH · 06-22-12, 02:01 PM

Nothing will happen.

Oberon · 06-22-12, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

Nothing will happen.

This is the most likely of things.

Still, an interesting, and some might say inevitable, occurrence.

Jimbuna · 06-22-12, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Oh Snap, Turkey has been angry at Syria since day one of this mess, this could be the turning factor if Turkey decides to directly intervene.

Whether NATO would actually follow through if Turkey invited it is another matter, some nations probably would, but many I think would just commit a token force.

If Turkey 'directly intervenes' I can see Russia making a lot of political noise but nothing more because NATO and or the US would have no other option than to become physically involved in response to what the west would see as Russian aggression.

My own assessment: still a storm in a tea cup.

MH · 06-22-12, 03:29 PM

So far this questionable incident is least of a reason to intervene if anyone really wanted to get involved openly in this mess.
I think Russians are doing favor for all involved...and they still take the blame as the bad guys.

mapuc · 06-22-12, 08:07 PM

I hope they will find some kind of solution to the current problems down there so it does not turn into a bloody full-scale civil war

and if it happens, I hope that the rest of the world stay away and not stick its nose into this wasp's nest.

I for one are not interested in a war-like situation in which Syria on the one side, getting military support from Russia and and perhaps China, fighting, the Syrian opposition that is probably supported by NATO and perhaps U.S.A

I hope for the best but are prepared for the worst.

Markus

Molon Labe · 06-22-12, 09:57 PM

I don't see this leading to anything b/c the F-4 was apparently in Syrian airspace anyways (and with everything going on, it would make zero sense for Syria to attack Turkey without provocation, so we can assume the early reports are correct in that regard).

The more interesting question to me is, why was the Turkish Phantom there---snooping around? Testing air defense response?

Codz · 06-22-12, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I hope they will find some kind of solution to the current problems down there so it does not turn into a bloody full-scale civil war

Markus

I believe this is already being considered a civil war.

TLAM Strike · 06-22-12, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

The more interesting question to me is, why was the Turkish Phantom there---snooping around? Testing air defense response?

The Turks have the RF-4E so it might have been a recon mission.

EDIT: Defense Tech says it was an RF-4E
http://defensetech.org/2012/06/22/tu...wn-near-syria/

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Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	I don't see this leading to anything b/c the F-4 was apparently in Syrian airspace anyways (and with everything going on, it would make zero sense for Syria to attack Turkey without provocation, so we can assume the early reports are correct in that regard). The more interesting question to me is, why was the Turkish Phantom there---snooping around? Testing air defense response? __________________

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Oh Snap, Turkey has been angry at Syria since day one of this mess, this could be the turning factor if Turkey decides to directly intervene. Whether NATO would actually follow through if Turkey invited it is another matter, some nations probably would, but many I think would just commit a token force.

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Nothing will happen.

06-22-12, 03:29 PM	#11
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	So far this questionable incident is least of a reason to intervene if anyone really wanted to get involved openly in this mess. I think Russians are doing favor for all involved...and they still take the blame as the bad guys.