Vista fun

[Skybird]

I now belong to the group of people who have not only read how bad vista is, but who since two days know by expereince how bad it really is.

For my old parents whom suddenly had an interest to go online withiout ver having dealt with computers before, I got a notebook with 4GB and Vista. Before I hand it to them and start to train them, of course I make myself familiar with it, but the notebook and Vista.

The ergonomy of the OS is terrible. Simply that: TERRIBLE. I have started to reactivate long since forgotten knowledge about MS-DOS and CMD and use the command line interpreter to do some things. And this in the times of modern WINDOWS! ! Instead of keeping things simpley and linear, everything is stupidly blown up, raised in effectless copmplexity, it seems. Organizing the data the way I want and not like Vista wants it, I found to be very complex, and frustrating. and when having choosen certain options, they get ignored anyway (SP1 and latest updates).

Plus I have had several freezes so far.

I hate it. I hated it after one day, I hated it yesterday, and I still hate it after having gotten off my bed today. What a phoney Vista is. Shiny surface - but don't look behind it.

Much worse than I feared. If even I stumble into problems time and again, how will it be for a total newcomer to computer things? I can't be around every time. I only hope at least that remote cointrol software I will try does function reliably (Team Viewer)

One thing is clear, if the next Window bases on the handling design of Vista and features a further "improved" ergonomy over that that steps even further into that direction like vista did, then it will be even crappier in handling, than vista, and certainly something I definitely will not take into account. for my personal use, once I need a new system myself maybe it really is time to go with Linux and leave this microsoft crap behind, really.

Tired. Frustrated. Angry. Vista. and now I will use the CMD interface to defrag the damn thing to get at least a minimum idea of how much fragmentised the HD is. Not even such proven things like the graphical defrag overview of XP they were able to keep. Damn Idiots.

[NeonSamurai]

Eh Vista kinda grows on you like a fungus after a while after you get use to its way of doing things. After using it a while I wouldn't in general say that its no worse then XP just a bit different (and more resource hungry).

XP was the same too for that matter, XP drove me crazy with a lot of things including the endless nag messages and some layout issues. I wouldn't call XP the model of efficiency either.

[Thomen]

Interesting. Never had any problems with Vista and runs like a charm for me. I've had many more problems with linux (different distributions), especially during installation. Fedora, as example did not even want to install. It crashed right there every time I tried to install it.
Vista, while it needs some getting used to it time, runs at least for me, stable and reliable.

I also noticed that you had already pretty made up your mind against Vista from the beginning, that might be a problem too that enhances your frustration.

[Wolfehunter]

Neonsamurai is right. XP original was the same. Vista is no different. Both have good sides and bad. I've got windows 7 evaluation copy on another partition. I find I get more performance from win7 than vista. There are many feature similar to vista on windows 7 but less nonsense too.

Anyhow I'm sure there will be people complaining about win 7 like very new OS there alway issues.

I sure do miss the dos days... You can never go wrong there..

[longam]

If you get bored someday try tweaking your vista to the way you like it. I always set UAC to auto elevate without prompt, it was driving me crazy.

http://www.howtogeek.com/tag/windows-vista/

[AVGWarhawk]

I love Vista. I have the Home Premium. Currently, for me, XP is slowly disappearing and very drab. I have no freezes, BSOD with Vista. Runs like a champ. All programs I use run well. Really, I look forward to playing with it everyday. Sorry you are pulling your hair out Skybird. It is a good OS...at least from my experience. You know, my parents run it and have no issues. It is a Toshiba laptop they have it on. My mother loves it.

Google vista64.com for the vista forums. Great forum with all kinds of answers to your questions.

[FIREWALL]

I have XP sp3 and Vista 64 Ultimate on same rig.

No problems with either.

I use 1 OS for somethings and the other OS for others.

[Skybird]

Migrating from Win98 to XP was easy, means handling and running it, of course in the beginning there were many technical problems - but not as many as with Vista, in no way as many. Considering to move from XP to Vista, is a bad dream for me. Vista simply is too unreliable. However, I see it from a different perspective: that of my parents for whom I have prepared the notebook, which had vista preinstalled and plenty of more "good stuff" - I spend all day long with deleting, and then defragmentising - and all that with a much slower technology than my desktop system - no fun. Ergonomy-wise, Vista is shabby and confusing. the new design I rate as "esoteric" at best, and my father who was here this late afternoon and doesnot know much about computers, found Vista much more confusing and disorientating than XP which I had shown to him last month. And I confirm Vista is very unstable, compared to XP. I had more freezes and hanging-ups giving me the opportunity to reboot in just two days, then XP has ever given me since the day I got it, until the day SP1 came out for XP.

Just that SP1 for XP came after much shorter time than Vista is out now - including Vista SP1.

And the number of background tasks and services is hilarious, absolutely hilarious.

I think my parents will curse me for not having talked it out of their heads. Although I certainly did not encourage them.

[Task Force]

Ive kind of gotten to vista 32 bit... Im suprised... It runs stuff well. (crysis on veary high/high)

[AVGWarhawk]

Personally Skybird, the issues you are having I would have returned the computer for a new one. It is either two things, the computer itself or the space between the keyboard and the chair that is creating issues. My parents who are in their mid 70's run a Toshiba laptop with Vista 32 bit. This is from a woman who cried when she received a Mr. Coffee coffee pot for Christmas 25 years ago because she could not figure out the two buttons. On and Off It sits on their kitchen table running wireless now for over a year. Not one crash. My dad downloads as much free crap as he can. I spend hours dumping it for him Thanks pop. I find it hard to believe the computer is or was in good shape out of the box with problems you described. If your computer is freezing out of the box, return it. Also, what type of computer is it? Specs? Less than 2 gigs RAM? If so, you need RAM to run Vista.


Just a thought, reinstall the OS off the disc...if they bothered to give you one.

[FIREWALL]

"Just a thought, reinstall the OS off the disc...if they bothered to give you one. "



quote=FIREWALL;1067704]I have XP sp3 and Vista 64 Ultimate on same rig.

No problems with either.

I use 1 OS for somethings and the other OS for others.[/quote]


bump for dummies

@ AVG You hit it on the head. Alot don't have the complete OS software and\or skill to do that.

[AVGWarhawk]

I think Skybird can handle that. If the new install still runs the same and freezes, time to return the computer and get a new one.

[Skybird]

I reduced the number of background tasks from 130 to some 70, that costed a lot of time in the internet for research, and I hope I have not killed anything vital. I also deleted not only the not needed and the trial-versions of software, but almost all except drivers and vista, and replaced it as far as compatibility allowed with stuff I run on my own rig. I also reduced Vista eye candy options and useless gimmicks as far as possible, and now the thing since some hours seem to run stable, at least significantly more stable than before. CPU use in idel is now 8-13%, before it was 30-38%.

The notebopok itself seem to be not the problem, as far as I can tell all components are running okay, and the thing is quite solid, and well constructed.

Well, I can find work arounds, although I hate to think of an OS needing work arounds, but I see it from the perspective of two older peole whom never had to deal with computers before, did not work in an office with such equipement, and still need 20 minutes or more to program their video recorder. Handling XP would be a challenge for them. Handling Vista is even more a challenge. I think MS doe snot know much about ergonomy, and Vista simply is esoteric.

I see it this way, in 98 or XP you could move from A to be by following a path, and whiole you do you not only reach point B, but also know how you got there, and that gives you a superior sense of orientation and a general understanding of where you are in relation to the whole, that enables you to orientate yourself and improvise if you run out of the automatic scouts. In Vista, you just get beamed from A to B, withiut giving you any clue about the path leading there, and where B is, and what your position in relation to the rest is. That leaves you much more confused and without an as-easy-coming understanding of your orientation. It is needlessly complex, and lesslonear structured that XP. And that is no advantage, but especially for newcomers without earlier experience it is a handicap.

The sister of a girlfriend of mine goives courses at "Volkshochschule", computer for seniors. she says that with XP it already was not easy for many, especially for those not having experiences with computers. She says with Vista the difficulties for these people has increased sharply.

[AVGWarhawk]

Vista does do things differently but you end up in the same place just like XP. It took me about 3 days to get acustomed to Vista. That is with a better learning curve than I suspect your parents have. They will come to understand it. My folks did and as you say with the VCR, just getting my folks to understand how to turn it on is a trial and tribulation unto it's own.

I think you got a good taste of bloat-ware and having the OS fire up everything it has. My computer came with the OS only. I'm sure it makes a world of difference.

[longam]

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